Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Murray (journalist) (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Peter Murray (journalist)
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Not notable. Simply a journalist with a byline. Also he had some kind of position in a trade union. This XFD has been discussed before, but this latest version has all the unsourced material removed, and there is really nothing left that makes him Notable. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, at risk of repeating the arguments of the previous AfD. "Simply a journalist with a byline" is a bit simplistic, he was President of his trade union, after all. However, there is no automatic notability of trade union presidents, who have a, erm, presiding role in the running of the union and rarely hit the limelight. I still can't see any significant press coverage about this guy. Sionk (talk) 22:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The National Union of Journalists is a fairly important trade union, the president of this union is a notable post. PatGallacher (talk) 00:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to primary connected notability. I searched and found absolutely no independent WP:notability. Govindaharihari (talk) 06:53, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree with that he is in a prominent elected position, but we need more sources. Is he a news producer? TV journalist? Writer? It's almost impossible to find info on him because about 27 million people have this name, including others who worked for the BBC.   —Мандичка YO 😜 07:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. I just can't find "the president of this union is a notable post" in our policies. It's an editorial judgement, going against "notability is not inherited through positions" (there are exceptions, but why should this be one?), and would like to see something more. For starters, what makes the poorly referenced National Union of Journalists notable? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:38, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right of course, the NUJ article is not great, but the NUJ was a major force in the UK in the 1980's in particular, when attempts were made by Fleet Street to destroy the print unions. Of course, much of this coverage is not available online. And Murray was President several decades later, after the union had shrunk and was no longer a major force or in the headlines. Sionk (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete GNG Shad Innet (talk) 09:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I do not think that being a Union board member is sufficient to warrant an article. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


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