Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Pepper (3rd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:53, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Peter Pepper
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Created as Peter Pepper (musician), redirected by CSD decline admin to allow correct AfD.

Only local coverage in a single free newspaper. This is the fourth deletion and third AfD of pretty much the same identical material. CSD declined because of significant difference due to sourcing, but sourcing doesn't support notability.

All other sources are self-published or promotional (ie facebook).

Usual non-notable artist cruft, made even more aggravating by being the fourth version. I suggest we salt this article, and the redirect, as this article has a high likelihood of being recreated. If the point of our policies not allowing these articles is not gotten after 2 years of trying, I think a little more eloquence is needed. If in the future the subject is notable enough, the article creator can go for AfC or the drawing board to create and then an admin cna unsalt. Cerejota (talk) 07:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 08:56, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Delete - The sources for this article are a mess. Please note that most are used repeatedly under various titles. More to the point, they consist of blogs, the artist's own site and a single page on a free paper's website (not actually in the paper, it's also a blog). Basically, we do not have sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources, failing GNG. (The article also features plenty of in-line links for associated acts' MySpace and Facebook pages.) Then we have the discography with Retard-O-Bot, a non-notable band on a non-notable label (no help there). Next, there's the upcoming solo release, on the same non-notable label. Finally, we have the "Current Personal Life and Adventures" section... um, yeah. A quick review of the editor who created this article shows this article has be created, deleted and re-created several times under various versions of the name: Peter Pepper, Peter Pepper (musician), Peter Pepper (Retard-O-Bot), Peter Pepper (again) and Peter Pepper (musician) (again). After three prior AFDs and several speedies, the argument that this "up and coming musician ... deserves a page" doesn't cut it. We need sources that are both independent of the subject and reliable, providing substantial coverage of Pepper. We simply do not have that. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 19:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I see your points, and I do agree the the sources at the bottom are terribly messed up, I am new to Wikipedia so I do not know how to keep it from doing that. Please give me a few more days to see if I can find some independent sources and News worthy events. I am trying to occupy my mind by making these pages (which for me take hours) because I am trying to come to the terms with the fact that i have about 10 years to live. But that is obviously irrelevant to this. Just please give me a few more days to do some more research while I am trying to cope with this news. Please do not delete it right away. GeisterXfahrer (talk) 20:50, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a week or so.--Cerejota (talk) 21:47, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, unless better sourcing can be presented here. My search efforts have not turned up coverage sufficient for subject to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO.  Gongshow  Talk 23:09, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per lack of reliable sources and lack of any indication things have significantly changed since the last AFD last year. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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