Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Petia (singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  12:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Petia (singer)

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Purely promotional BLP. Not a single thing is properly verified. None of the things in it will make her automatically notable--a few TV appearances, a photo shoot or two--and I cannot find the coverage in Google News or Books that would prove notability by our standards. Note that the creator is blocked for a user name problem, and has an obvious conflict of interest. Drmies (talk) 01:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: Unless she plays in a brass band, there is no coverage for this particular entertainer. Delete for a lack of sourcing, long way off to get to GNG. Prior AfD (see below) was kept, with a Billboard article, but it's a brief mention. Oaktree b (talk) 02:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note there appears to have been a prior AfD in 2013 for this person, but I have doubts if it's the same individual based on the comments made there... See the article's talk page for the link. It's been tagged since 2010; if nothing has popped up in the 14 years since then, likely we won't find much else. Happy to be proven wrong, as always. Oaktree b (talk) 02:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment if she had a hit in her country with "Obscenely Delicious" and it got to no. 5 in the Top 100 then that leans towards notable. And according to the page, it nibbled the Greek Top 50. I think the Wikipedia article is mostly correct. However, it seems that she had a brief run of fame prior to 2010. That would make her notable. So the article should be improved with referencing. It needs work!!! What makes it difficult is getting chart stats from East European countries. Karl Twist (talk) 05:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  05:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * comment/keep Hi, landed here in search of a song details 2 days ago, since edited Wikipedia in the past I thought I can help. So, I edited the page and added sources from BG language. I also think that her work is past internet and its true that we can't find online for people who were notable at that time. She is on the covers and shows plus on top charts as said above by another user, the page also exists in multiple languages. Oh, and I removed all promotional sentences and words. Thanks FemaleStuff (talk) 22:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

By the way, @Oaktree b, you mentioned earlier that you weren't sure that the original AFD was in regards to the same person as the current article is about. Is this AFD what you were referring to? It sounds like it's about the same person to me, but do you mind if I ask specifically what makes you think it may be someone else with the same or similar name? Vontheri (talk) 23:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting, Articles_for_deletion/Petia_Pavlova lists quite a few sources. Were these evaluated? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * keep Not an area of expertise of mine, but @FemaleStuff seems to be familiar with the topic and has convincing arguments. Just because someone is not so notable in the Anglosphere doesn't mean they may not be notable in another country/language. Vontheri (talk) 17:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * it's the lack of coverage we're concerned about. I couldn't find any and they didn't post any further sources. Oaktree b (talk) 01:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The Bulgarian version of the article lists five sources. Sources don't have to be in English, nor do they have to be from the internet. Difficulty in finding sources [in English and online] should not make us default to "they must not exist." The article isn't really causing any harm by being there until it can either be properly sourced or proven to not be notable, is it? Vontheri (talk) 12:47, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Her personal website, an IMDB profile, two profiles and a tv show, none of these are useful. Rest are social media links. Again, there are no stories in media that extensively cover this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 13:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What's been added such as the dnes.bg articles are barely a few paragraphs each, I wouldn't consider them extensive. Oaktree b (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @FemaleStuff, who seems familiar with the topic of the article, said that most of her work was pre-internet or at least early days of the internet, so looking on the modern English-language internet for information about her is a bit like looking for a tropical rainforest in Antarctica. You're looking in the wrong place.
 * What harm could possibly be caused by leaving the article to give someone with access to the relevant information time to find it and add it? Someone who speaks Bulgarian would probably be the best sort of person to help with this, perhaps first by writing more from Bulgarian language sources on the Bulgarian version of the article and then translating it to the English version of the article. Vontheri (talk) 13:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * you would want to send it to draft then, that's really what should be done. Oaktree b (talk) 14:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I hadn't looked in depth at the sources from the previous AFD. Thanks for pointing our attention to them, Liz. The sources listed by @Michig from the previous AFD strengthen my view that the article should NOT be deleted.
 * While I am only able to read it by machine translation, this source mentions that one of her songs was in the "top 50" of MAD TV (TV channel), which sounds like it meets the criteria "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network" and probably also "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" from WP:MN. I hope no offense to anyone, but some people seem so hasty to delete articles... I like saving articles. Vontheri (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


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