Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pets of Imran Khan (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Modussiccandi (talk) 08:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Pets of Imran Khan
AfDs for this article:


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Despite the sources, the article is not notable enough to be on Wikipedia. The rationale of other head of states' pets page is non-entertainable as unlike United States presidential pets or Larry (cat) or Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office, these pets in the article are not recognised or accredited by the State (Pakistan). They are personal pets of Mr. Khan. In case of having personal pets on WP, one can also demand article for Buffalos of former PM Nawaz Sharif. Also see the contentions raised by others on the Talk:Pets of Imran Khan User4edits (talk) 00:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2022 April 6.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 00:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Animal and Pakistan. Shellwood (talk) 01:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment This has already been discussed well and there was a good consensus to keep. Is there something today that should make people want to delete, that wasn't existing the first time around? CT55555 (talk) 01:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Of course, there were also arguments made for keeping it, but I'll let others make their cases. Happy editing, --SilverTiger12 (talk) 13:03, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment (in reply to above, partially) - the last nomination failed because the nominator did not really provide any reasoning to delete. The keep seemed more procedural than anything else. Although admittedly, the argument here is also not the best (non-native English speaker? No condemnation, but your words a bit hard to follow). The way I see it, the arguments to delete include:
 * Sourcing does not seem to be the best, and there was some concern raised at the last AfD about circular sourcing- that is, the article citing sources that cited Wikipedia.
 * The pets are, unlike those of other nation heads, not recognized in any way by the state.
 * IMO, this article is irregular: if there is enough coverage for a pet, that pet gets an article, but most pets of nation heads wind up as a list entry. A composite article like this is new.
 * Keep it seems inappropriate to have this conversation without the nominator informing the person who created the page. And I find all the justification that references other world leader's pets to be not relevant. Either this topic stands on its own or it does not. Basically I am not convinced by the justification to delete and I see keep as the default where there is no good justification to delete. CT55555 (talk) 15:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. To answer @CT55555, I am not very aware of the AfD process and was following the process as per the steps laid on WP that too being without sleep for 24 hours. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 22:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are not familiar with the AfD process, please familiarize yourself with it before using it. You should not vote to "delete per nomination" when you are the nominator. There is a link at the top of the page that explains the process. It is essential that you discuss this nomination for deletion with the person who created the page you are proposing deletion of. CT55555 (talk) 00:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Snowball keep We've already been through all of this in the first nomination, where consensus was clearly established in favour of keep. The nomination is essentially recycling the same points that were repeated in the last nomination. This essentially makes it an exercise in futility of flogging the dead horse. Dear nom., please at least read the mentioned AfD before being reckless and wasting everyone's time! Also, what rule permits both a nomination and a vote on an AfD? Have I missed a trick all these years?  Mar4d  ( talk ) 01:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Snowball keep does not apply here; it does not roll over from previous deletion discussions. SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per my argument above. SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think have enough reliable source for passing WP:GNG. Prodipto Deloar (Talk • Contribute) 13:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge. Per WP:N, Even if a topic is notable then "This is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article." and I'd have thought that this was a good example. Could readily be added to Khan's article which already includes a sentence on his dogs. Nigej (talk) 12:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as per CT55555 and not Merge: Imran Khan is already 221kB long and will continue to get longer with Khan's recent impeachment. That's above the 100kB threshold at which the article "Almost certainly" should be split, according to WP:SIZERULE. ‎⠀Trimton⠀‎‎  02:37, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It does need splitting but just splitting off his pets seems an extremely poor way of doing it IMO. Nigej (talk) 05:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.