Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phạm Nguyễn Lan Phiên


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The result was   delete. Shi meru  23:26, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Phạm Nguyễn Lan Phiên

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Not-yet notable musician; could have been speedied. Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  02:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete I agree, although if it had been speedied I would have missed out on the humour of reading an article from a self-proclaimed "progidy" who can't spell "prodigy" correctly. That's one for the books. Definitely doesn't pass WP:MUSIC and doesn't even really assert notability. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  03:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment How comes you come up with the idea that I am him? I am not him, I never wrote an article about myself and I surely do not proclaim that I am a prodigy. I assumed that Phạm Nguyễn Lan Phiên was a prodigy, because my sources say so. By the way, do you think it fair to make fun of the spelling errors of a person, who is not a native speaker?-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 08:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, when an article pops up on an extremely obscure person such as this, 99% of the time it's written by the subject, and even the remaining 1% is usually a friend or immediate family member. Such an assumption is hardly an unreasonable one.  If you're being sincere that you have no connection with the subject, then you're indirectly making a very good point about the dangers of creating these types of articles, in that they often have the unintended effect of making their subjects appear vain and ridiculous.  If you're not Phạm Nguyễn Lan Phiên, then you should be aware that if he were to read and understand the article, there's a very good chance he's be ashamed and disgusted by how it makes him look. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To my mind he is known to vietnamese people and German people of vietnamese origins. Look at this Google search, also because the Wiki category "German people of vietnamese descent" had but one person in it I thought it was a good idea about another one. You don't have to go "if you are being sincere". I am being sincere that I am not him and I find it offensive you suspect I might be a liar.-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but I really can't imagine why anybody but Pham or perhaps his parents would attempt to get him into an encyclopedia(!) It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  Anyway, I'm definitely not convinced by the Google link you posted: firstly, Google hits mean very little by our standards, but even if they did if you click through it it shows he has just 54 unique Google hits.  How bad is that exactly?  I have about 7 times as many.  That's pretty bad. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:40, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * He might not be as notable as I thought yet (see below).
 * However I still think you should not accuse me of lying. I wrote lots of articles for this wiki, non of them about music or the piano. Do you really think I would act that way if I was a pianist? I also mentioned on several occasions I was a student of psychology. Do you really think I made this up month ago just to hide the fact I was Phạm Nguyễn Lan Phiên???-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 20:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Im the creator of this article and think it should be kept. He was the youngest student ever to be accepted at the prestiguos Frankfurt University of Music and Performing Arts, also he won several competitions and was 1st prizewinner of the Jugend musiziert one of Germany's major music competitions for young people, which would make him notable. By the way: the ones, who come up with the idea that I am Phạm Nguyễn Lan Phiên just because I wrote an article about him are wrong. I am not him and do not know him personally.-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete - per A7; or, if not, delete per WP:MUSIC, WP:BLP1E and WP:UPANDCOMING among others. ukexpat (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment but WP:Music says a subject might be notable if he has won or placed in a major music competition and he did.-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an amateur/student competition, and he only won a local category. That just isn't enough. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:40, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete + comments: I doubt that being the youngest student in Frankfurt qualifies for notability. Here's some background: (1) Jugend Musiziert is probably the most important music competition in Germany, but to be interesting for Wikipedia it'd have to be at the national level (Bundeswettbewerb), which doesn't seem to be the case for the 2005 first prize that the article unsourcedly claims.  There are many first prizes awarded by the way, not just one -- perhaps that's the case for the other competition too.  This page shows 19 out of 25 points in the 2008 Bundeswettbewerb, which means he's talented, but there's still a lot of kids with those kinds of results, so that certainly doesn't make him notable.  (2) If notable, the article definitely needs more sourcing.  You may be able to dig up more with Western name order, searching for "Lan Phien Pham Nguyen" or simply "Lan Phien Pham". -- 87.143.158.127 (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is the source for his 2005 first price: http://www.pianocompetition.com/application/detail.php?IBLOCK_ID=43&SECTION_ID=342&ELEMENT_ID=2065 Sorry, i forgot, the insert it into the article, that has been done now.-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 16:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I did not understand this was the local competition. At first I thought that was the Jugend musiziert for the federal Republic of Germany, which was only held in Frankfurt. If that was the Jugend musiziert of Frankfurt only it probably would niot make him notable. Still he seems to have won the Jugend musiziert of Hesse in 2008, according to this source: http://www.landesmusikrathessen.de/projekte_jumu_mitlisten.html Lan Phien Pham Nguyen, would that make him notable?-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 20:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. Read WP:BAND for the kind of thing we need. He's just another bright young kid who may become notable someday. If that day comes, then we can create an article about him. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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