Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pharos Systems International


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Pharos Systems International

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Non-notable, authored by "freelance writer" who makes a living providing "social media content for a variety of businesses". See Talk:Pharos Systems International. DanielPenfield (talk) 18:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I thought that the COI issue had been resolved. Another editor removed the tag last week and wrote the following (in part): "I have looked at this article per your request. It seems properly tagged regarding issues which should be improved. First the conflict of interest seems least relevant. In fact I am removing that one because there is no evidence that your association with the subject has manifest in the article prose. Actually you did a good job in that regard, In my opinion. Cheers. My76Strat 03:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)"

Also, I have made every change requested by this editor and others to make the article more notable.

Given these two facts, I do not understand why this article is marked for deletion.

Kristigaylord (talk) 18:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Delete: This is a half-hearted vote for deletion. The article isn't too bad but there isn't much in the references to prove notability. The sources tend to be either local ones, directories, or affiliated parties. Regarding COI, I was puzzled by it's removal and replacement with the advert template. The point of the COI template is to indicate possible bias, and something that reads like an advertisement is pretty clearly biased, and the editor has at least historic ties to Pharos. Restoring the COI template gets to the heart of the matter. Kristi has toned down the article but it still fails to prove notability. Kristi, I would suggest that you read the Wikipedia article on Notability (organizations and companies) and see how the Pharos International article fits the criteria. --Beirne (talk) 18:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes I removed the COI tag. As I stated in the summary I felt Kristigaylord had done well to avoid issues of wikipuffery. The talkpage highlighted the association and the potential for bias. I also advised Kristigaylord that I was concerned about issues of notability regarding the subject. I stated this was a "paramount concern'. Anyway, I have been criticized regarding my decision to remove the tag, and I accept the criticism. Nevertheless, I maintain that this article will pass or fail this AfD primarily related to notability and sourcing. Kind regards.  My 76 Strat  23:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, Kristigaylord, for the record, and very pertinent to issues of conflict, will you receive and/or have you received any pay or compensation for any of your efforts on Wikipedia?  My 76 Strat  23:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


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 * Delete. This is a company that provides print management software and services,, one of many, and yet another tech business advertising on Wikipedia.  Their claims to notability are minor trade awards: Best of Show and Best Software Solution at the Print & Imaging Summit, an event attended by Information Technology executives and Software Company of the Year Award by the New Zealand Hi-Tech Trust.  These awards don't establish that this business or its products have historical, technical, or cultural significance.  Neither do routine announcements of profit lines, acquisitions, or mergers. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I have reread the article about notability, and I agree that my article could raise some concerns in some minds. What’s disconcerting is that I have read many articles on Wikipedia that get a much lower grade on the notability test than my article about Pharos Systems. In any event, I’ve done all I can to respond to recommendations from a variety of editors. Writing a Wikipedia article about Pharos was something that I thought would be fun to do in my spare time. It’s time for me to pull the plug on the article. Kristigaylord (talk) 17:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per "Smerdis of Tlön"- SimonLyall (talk) 20:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.