Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phenomena (band)


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The result was   keep.-- Kubigula (talk) 19:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Phenomena (band)

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After a string of vandalism on this article, I decided to look into this further, and the band fails WP:MUSIC. Most tellingly, the article here on WP is hit #1. There is no discernible nontrivial coverage, as "phenomena" is too common a word for GNews. However, AMG lists no charted hits or gold certification (and no reviews, either). There is no indication of a tour of any size ever. The band only released one album on a major label (BMG/Arista) of the six or so they have (incl. comps). Most of the "famous musicians" involved with the project at various points were session musicians who did short stints in the secondary (or tertiary) lineups of famous bands like Whitesnake and Black Sabbath. Therefore I find this criterion of questionable validity here, because the other bands were famous before these musicians ever got there. This band is not representative of any style, as it is made up of session players. Lastly, no awards, no major competitions, no TV themes, no rotation, and no TV special. MSJapan (talk) 21:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep What a pointless nomination, not to mention a misleading one too. Neil Murray notched up a total of seven years in Whitesnake if you include his two stints, and also six years as part of Black Sabbath. Glenn Hughes was part of Deep Purple for three years, had a brief stint as part of Black Sabbath, and did two albums as lead vocalist on two of Iommi's solo albums. Cozy Powell did five years in Rainbow, and four in Sabbath in various stints. I could go on and on, but I don't need to. Calling the likes of Glenn Hughes "a session player" is total and utter bullshit - don't waste people's time with such pointless nominations. LuciferMorgan (talk) 22:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes WP:MUSIC & WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 01:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

What is true is that there have been a lot of vandalism on this article. This is probably due to the fact that over the years several competing Phenomena bands or projects in various countries appeared. They had to change the name or abandoned the project after intervention by original rights holders Galley/Rimensberger. Their is also a legal wrangle between Tom Galley and Merve Spence, after Galley sold his rights in the first 3 Phenomena albums to Spence, who eventually was pursued by Galley for breach of contract. This was reported in various music magazine interviews featuring Tom Galley. However, Galley and Rimensberger together are currently working on a forthcoming 5th album to be released with a major record company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank Renner (talk • contribs) 01:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Indeed, the nomination is misleading and defamatory. Phenomena has had worldwide record releases with BMG/RCA, with the first album released as a licence from Bronze/Ariola records. Glenn Hughes, Mel Galley, and producers Tom Galley and Wilfried Rimensberger are involved in all 4 original albums. And most other involved artists are featuring their participation in Phenomena an their web sites. Phenomena is featured on YouTube and and has over 100'000 hits on the "Did it all for Love" video and feature movie trailer. One has just to read the YouTube comments...no further explanation needed. However, Phenomena had a No1 hit single in Brazil, which spilled over to other South-American countries. Mel Galley's obituaries in serious newspapers like the Guardian or Independent, not to mention many of the serious music magazines, all refer to his work with Phenomena. Phenomena had cover stories in world-wide leading heavy metal magazines such as Kerrang! (The return of the concept album) and Metalhammer.
 * Strong keep. As others have said, a very notable rock project, clearly meets WP:MUSIC in terms of their album releases. The single "Did It All For Love" off the second album charted, including #1 in Brazil, I believe. The article has indeed suffered considerable vandalism for the reasons Frank Renner gives above, but that's not a reason for deletion. Bondegezou (talk) 14:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  17:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - article appears to satisfy various WP:MUSIC criteria, and as a group who released records in the 80s there's an understandable lack of web sources - I would encourage written sources to be added asap - i.e. biogs, even newspaper coverage from back in the day if there are any still around. (Apologies for my over-eager WP:NAC, boldness and ignorance) -  Toon  05  23:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes all the WP:MUSIC criteria. I agree with the person above me. Tezkag72 (talk) 20:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - WP:SNOW anyone? -  Toon  05  21:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


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