Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phetogo Molawa


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)  TB randley  17:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Phetogo Molawa

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Been tagged for notability since Dec 2010. Besides being the first black female pilot I cannot find sources for her. Suggest it be deleted Gbawden (talk) 13:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I would suggest that being the first black female air force pilot in a country that has lived with Apartheid for much of its history makes her significant. Particularly since I would suspect she is also one of the first female air force pilots in Africa. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. The fact that she is South Africa's first black female pilot has been covered here, and even better, here.King Jakob  C2 20:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, provided it can be referenced she is the first black pilot overall in the SADF (i.e. there were no fast-jet or trash hauler pilots before her). If so, however, this is a definitively notable achievement. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:15, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. See the headline of this. It's already a reference in the article.King Jakob  C2 21:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Much as I love the BBC I must point out that that source contradicts itself. In the opening paragraph it announces, "A 21-year-old air force lieutenant has become South Africa's first black female pilot, media reports say", but lower down it says, "Ms Molawa is one of only a few female pilots". If she was one of a few when she got the appointment then she can't have been the first. I think that the all-important word "helicopter" must have got lost from the headline and opening sentence during the editing process. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:10, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The article says she's the first black female pilot, not the first female pilot. South Africa is a multi-ethnic country. No doubt the other female pilots are white. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:21, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, my mistake. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - the problem is is thats it - this is all the info on her you can find. This article is never going to expand beyond these few lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbawden (talk • contribs)
 * Even if it's true that this can't be expanded beyond a few lines how is that a problem? Surely it's better to provide readers with a little information rather than none at all? Phil Bridger (talk) 18:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Notability is notability, even if the article is a permastub. Being "short" is not grounds for deletion. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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