Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phi Kappa Pi (fraternity)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 10:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Phi Kappa Pi (fraternity)

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Not finding significant coverage in 3rd party sources where this organization is the primary subject of the article. There are some mentions in Google News hits but they are in passing, mentioning membership in an article about some specific person. Claim of being the only national fraternity in Canada is not backed up with verifiable references, only a primary source of a pledge manual. RadioFan (talk) 17:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related page because it also lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources. It's clear that this sorority has been around a long time even back in the 40's the news coverage appears to be limited to event announcements, not clear how either article could meet WP:ORG:


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  —RadioFan (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep fraternity, delete sorority. The sorority is the easier case: it claims to currently be a local sorority, and that's below the scope of notability at WP:ORG. The fraternity is a little more complex. There is an assertion of notability with being Canada's only national fraternity. I'm willing to revisit this decision if, after a few months, nothing is turned up to support the claim, but for now, I'm going to err on the side of caution and keep the fraternity's article for improvement. —C.Fred (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment However, the claim of being the only national fraternity is referenced only with primary sources. Its the only claim to notability I see there.--RadioFan (talk) 17:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a weaker claim of being a national organization, since it has four active chapters across three provinces—which makes it national in scope by definition, even if the claim of being the only such national fraternity is in dispute. —C.Fred (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

*Note: This debate has been included in the list at WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities. —C.Fred (talk) 17:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment even that week claim needs references which I'm having trouble finding.--RadioFan (talk) 18:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Other Fraternity articles
If you compare to other fraternity articles, you'll find that most citations are from their own pledge manual. See Sigma Chi for example, the largest fraternity in the world, as it references its own Pledge manual. By the nature of being a secret society, fraternity history is kept within the organization. Nagiek (talk) 20:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Other stuff exists. The fault isn't that the article cites its pledge manual. The concern is that the only citation in this article is the pledge manual. Hence my comment that the fraternity article needs additional sources. —C.Fred (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with your point. However, that is a quality issue and not a notability issue. Thus the article should stay. I agree with your earlier stance to revisit the article in a few months. Nagiek (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As it is a primary source it is not just a quality issue. Jarkeld (talk) 20:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 01:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Due to the lack of reliable sourcing.-- Pink Bull  23:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep Fraternaties are an important part of college life and should be notable. Dew Kane (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Phi Kappa Pi (sorority): delete. Fails WP:CLUB. — Rankiri (talk) 12:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Phi Kappa Pi (fraternity): weak delete. Google shows no signs of significant coverage by reliable secondary sources., , , etc. — Rankiri (talk) 12:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.