Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Esposito (ice hockey, born 1970)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The article was deleted by admin, who did not close this discussion. (non-admin closure) Michaelzeng7 (talk) 19:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Phil Esposito (ice hockey, born 1970)

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Non-notable hockey player, fails of all criteria of WP:NHOCKEY; played just a handful of games outside the low minors. Such sources as are in the article are primary and don't discuss the subject in the "significant detail" the GNG requires. Reliable sources which both satisfy the GNG and don't run afoul of WP:GEOSCOPE or WP:ROUTINE -- especially when obscured by a rather more famous hockey player of the same name -- aren't forthcoming. Very little improvement done over four years. Article was prodded, but prod was removed by the article creator without comment.   Ravenswing   05:09, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Actually, the reasons for PROD removal are found on the talk page saying: “Player has played over 100 games in the minors and also coached an additional 100 games in the Federal League”. Dolovis (talk) 20:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply: Ah, fair enough. Of course, playing 100+ games (or coaching in) in bottom rung semi-pro leagues forms no part of notability criteria.   Ravenswing   00:16, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 09:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 09:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Playing and coaching minor league hockey is not enough to show notability.204.126.132.231 (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep – meets WP:NHOCKEY for having played 100+ games in fully professional minor leagues, and for having coached another 100+ games in the professional minor leagues. The subject also passes GNG, with significant and independent sources to be found including  despite the fact that google searches are obscured by his more famous namesake. Dolovis (talk) 22:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply: Each and every one of those sources come from the local small city paper's website, which by definition would not satisfy the GNG, even if they didn't violate WP:ROUTINE and WP:GEOSCOPE, which they do. Furthermore, as you well know, the NHOCKEY criterion governing playing or coaching 100+ games apply solely to fully professional leagues, such as the AHL or ECHL ... not the bottom rung semi-pro loops in which Esposito had his brief playing career and in which he coaches.  If you disagree with the scope of NHOCKEY's criteria, the proper response is to seek consensus for your POV on WP:NSPORTS' talk page.  As it happens, you've sought to do so several times, and failed to do so.  It's high time you accepted consensus, lacking any shift in it to your own POV.   Ravenswing   07:10, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete He didn't play (or coach) 100+ games in one of the upper tier minor leagues as is required. The links Dolovis points to fail WP:ROUTINE and WP:GEOSCOPE as mentioned by Ravenswing. In doing my own search I can't find any references which allow him to pass WP:GNG. -DJSasso (talk) 18:28, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. A handful of appearances in semi-pro leagues does not meet the SNG, and routine local coverage doesn't cut it. Resolute 19:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails NHOCKEY and GNG.  Patken4 (talk) 21:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. A routine hockey player. Playing in the minor leagues is not notable. Unless if he plays in the NHL, which is the majors, he will not be notable here. Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fails NHOCKEY and GNG. Hwy43 (talk) 08:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


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