Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Konstantin (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seems pretty clear consensus here that the sources proffered and the long list of links are not adequate to establish notability. The book mentioned by Haukur may meet notability criteria but that does not imply this topic does. A redirect to the work article can be added at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:13, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Phil Konstantin
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Previous AfD closed with "no consensus." There are only two sources that meet reliable sources guidelines, (1) a CBS story that describes the subject's retirement from that station, and (2) a Huffington Post article about his work with drowsy driving. Most of article appears to have been written by the subject; I've removed some trivia and fluff, (school GPA, "Who's Who" lists), but most of the article's remaining content is sourced from primaries (sites that the subject maintains or is affiliated with). OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:15, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Per 's request
 * I did not write this article. I did add two things to it when prompted to do so by another editor. Whomever wrote it, did appear to take lots of the factual information from my websites, or from Biographies posted online by various former employers such as KUSI, KGTV, KFMB TV stations, and publishers of the books I wrote, or articles written about me. Ohnoitsjamie appears to say that a copy of official document does not appear to verify a fact if the copy, or photo, was cited as it appeared on my personal website. So, when the City of San Diego issued the proclamation making April 6, 2019 "Phil Konstantin Day" in San Diego, it does not count as a valid source if a copy of the actual document is posted on my website or Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2139602779390175&set=pcb.2139602829390170&type=3&theater . In that case, none of the various magazine article I have written would count, even though I have photocopies of the actual articles on my website, even if they include the magazine's name and date of publication. For example, a magazine article of an interview I did with Stephen King. It is not a transcript, but an actual scan of the original article: http://americanindian.net/Articles/Stephen_King_1987.pdf . There are over a dozen examples on this page of photocopies of original articles: http://americanindian.net/articles.html April 16, 2016, I was added to the Sam Rayburn High School Hall of Honor - https://www1.pasadenaisd.org/cms/one.aspx?portalId=80772&pageId=33216433  A photocopy of an article written about me: - http://americanindian.net/Articles/Dreams_Of_Ancient_People_2002.pdf  " The links to NASA/IBM articles aren't particularly useful as they don't specifically mention you or your involvement. OhNoitsJamie Talk"  Photocopy of commendation letter I received while working in NASA's Real Time Computer Complex (RTCC) at the Johnson Space Center in Houston during Skylab. http://americanindian.net/skylab.jpg  Photocopies of my NASA ID cards while working during Apollo 17 and Skylab - http://americanindian.net/ScanMarch2016002.jpg  Four brief articles from an outside sources saying the RTCC was, in deed, part of Mission Control in Building 30 at NASA. https://www.mannedspaceops.org/history/mission-control-center/ - https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/space/space_realtime.html - http://max.q.pagesperso-orange.fr/apollo/infra/rtcc_eng.htm - https://arstechnica.com/science/2012/10/going-boldly-what-it-was-like-to-be-an-apollo-flight-controller/  So, if photocopies of actual documents don't count as valid sources, then not much of what was written about my can be verified in any other way other than by the memories of other people, or by contacting the sources cited.  Here is a video of one of the organizers of Spacefest ( https://www.spacefest.info/II/ ), and the former Director of the San Diego Air & Space Museum (and me) telling Apollo 17 astronaut Gene Cernan that I helped run the computers at NASA in Houston during his Apollo 17 flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fzo1t66U_s ..  Here is a video of a news broadcast where they talk about me working at NASA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWlNllXC9ZI&feature=youtu.be  Phil Konstantin Phil Konstantin (talk) 18:48, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * North County Times & Californian articles about me on Newspapers.com - https://www.newspapers.com/image/577935502/?terms=%22phil%2Bkonstantin%22   and   https://www.newspapers.com/image/579477815/?terms=%22phil%2Bkonstantin%22 New York Newsday positive review about my website americanindian.net as it appeared in the Cincinnati Enquirer on December 16, 1999 - https://www.newspapers.com/image/102397771/?terms=%22phil%2Bkonstantin%22  In Iowa City Press Citizen - Dec 1, 1999: https://www.newspapers.com/image/206896127/?terms=%22phil%2Bkonstantin%22 -  Sun Sentinal in Fort Lauderdale, FL - https://www.newspapers.com/image/238832697/?terms=%22phil%2Bkonstantin%22  A search on the website newspapers.com for "Phil Konstantin" revealed over 350 different newspaper stories where I was quoted as a "spokesperson" for the California Highway Patrol. Many of these were (obviously) in California. But, they were in newspapers all over the country.  https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=%22phil+konstantin%22  Newspaper articles on the lawsuit against Pasadena, Texas which declared their election fees unconstitutional. - Feb 8, 1973  https://www.newspapers.com/image/435791247/?terms=%22morris%2Bkonstantin%22 - Victoria Advocate,  https://www.newspapers.com/image/46705793/?terms=%22judge%2Bjohn%2Bsingleton%22 Vernon, Texas Daily Record  https://www.newspapers.com/image/23005752/?terms=%22judge%2Bjohn%2Bsingleton%22 Baytown Sun  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philkon (talk • contribs) 2019-09-03 04:19:43 (UTC)
 * Delete - even if every word is true, this person fails to meet WP:BLP and WP:GNG. Much of the information is badly sourced, or unsourced. The rest are claims of notability by association or vague generalities. This seems to be a great guy, but his work was ordinary in the big scheme of things. If reviews of his Dummy or other books could be found from major sources, then I'd change my mind. Bearian (talk) 17:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Review of This Day in North American Indian History in Publishers Weekly - https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-306-81170-8 Mention of "Wacky World of Laws" by Jeff Isaac and Phil Konstantin on NBC Today Show - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW63zyzE4Tc&feature=youtu.be — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philkon (talk • contribs) 2019-09-04 03:16:28 (UTC)
 * Delete - lots of mentions, but no significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources as per WP:GNG, WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO - Epinoia (talk) 21:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Investigating. This Day in North American Indian History meets WP:NBOOK. It got reviews in at least five publications of acceptable quality: Publishers Weekly, Choice: Current Reviews for Academic Libraries, Wild West, Booklist, and Library Journal. WP:NBOOK only requires two reviews so this passes with flying colors. I'll look into the other books. Haukur (talk) 09:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Relist. I didn't find anything more for the other books. Some reviews for The Wacky World of Laws are already in the article and may be okay. But Konstantin is only a co-author here so we can't count that book as heavily. Of the other sources, the HuffPo article is quite decent but maybe not enough to bring us over the line. The sources accessible on 'newspapers.com' might suffice but I can't access that resource yet. But as it happens I have recently applied for a Wikipedia Library Card for newspapers.com which will hopefully come through early next week. Could we have an additional week to figure this out? Haukur (talk) 10:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 16:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * In the for what it is worth, there are also to 360+ photos I have released into the public domain or under a CC license so they could be used on Wikipedia. You can see a list of most of them on my user page here: User:Philkon . This is just FYI. Phil Konstantin (talk) 18:45, 10 September 2019 (UTC) Phil Konstantin
 * I have the newspapers.com access now so I think I have the whole picture. There is an abundance of reviews and other coverage related to This Day in North American Indian History and its website precursor. That is by far the most wiki-notable thing Phil has done. I think a very reasonable solution would be to write an article on the book, which could have a paragraph on the author, and leave Phil Konstantin as a redirect there. Haukur (talk) 20:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have noticed that nobody has mentioned the 3,100 videos I have on YouTube. They have been viewed over 2,100,000 times.Phil Konstantin (talk) 03:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that's not something we can make much use of here. Belle Delphine has 5 million views on her latest video alone but is still a redlink. But I'll see if I can get to writing about your book today. Haukur (talk) 07:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've now written a short but decently-sourced article on This Day in North American Indian History. That's a suitable redirect target. Haukur (talk) 11:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 05:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Well sourced article meets notability guidelines.BigDwiki (talk) 01:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC) Bad faith view, per several administrators. Killer Chihuahua 17:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Note to AfD closer; note that this user is apparently upset that I challenged their POV editing on another articles, and is now stalking my only current AfD noms. OhNo itsJamie Talk 01:27, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note to AfD closer; note that this user has a history of blocks and evading blocks and continues to make false allegations against editors. User also has a history of improper AfD nominations. BigDwiki (talk) 13:02, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * As I stated on Articles for deletion/Sanjeev Datta, stop this. Take your arguments to WP:ANI. BigDwiki, if I see you arguing this anywhere else, I WILL block for hounding. Puppy has spoken. Killer Chihuahua 13:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. User:Ohnoitsjamie Should not have maligned me by adding his/her comments to my vote. I am obligated to respond when attacked by another editor.BigDwiki (talk) 13:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * What the ACTUAL F. Can you not read and follow simple directives? I told you NOT to continue this here. I told you to put your response on ANI. You have NOT posted any response on ANI and you HAVE continued to WP:BATTLE here. You are on thin ice. Killer Chihuahua 14:02, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Killer, So, let me get this straight. I place a simple vote on this article, User:Ohnoitsjamie maligns me and accuses me of "wikihounding". I respond, making similar and equal accusations in defense...and it's ME you're threatening with a block? BigDwiki (talk) 14:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

-- Why is KillerChihuahua blocking BigDiki's comments? Phil Konstantin (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Message me on my talk page. Pretty simple answer to this. BigDwiki (talk) 21:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

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--- OK Rockphed, what parts do you think are a HOAX? It is one thing to not think the page about me is worthy for inclusion. It is a totally different think to call it a hoax. Phil Konstantin (talk) 20:16, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - This person has done a lot of interesting things, but we don't have the independent, substantive biographical sources to put it all in context so a proper article can be written - hence this doesn't meet WP:GNG. - MrOllie (talk) 16:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete weeding through the trash there is a single piece from the Huffington Post that might be significant. A quick look around the internet turns up exactly that piece, and nothing more.  Everything else about him is either trivial (he gave statements to the press a few times), or self published.  I am not convinced that anything except his work for the California Highway Patrol is not a hoax. Rockphed (talk) 17:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No, come one, that's completely uncalled for. I agree that Phil doesn't meet the notability bar but there's nothing here to indicate a hoax of any sort. Certainly This Day in North American Indian History is a very real book which got very real reviews. Haukur (talk) 18:23, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw the article on This Day in North American Indian History, which was reviewed by a few periodicals, although nothing major. He, and the book, are real. However, this bit of information doesn't change my mind yet. Bearian (talk) 01:57, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * While I suppose what I said could be interpreted as calling the article a hoax, that was not my intention. My intention was to point out that almost nothing in this article is verifiable. As Bearian points out, we can verify him as an author of a book and can verify a few particulars of his recent employment and activity. Everything else is either sourced to the man himself, sourced to people who got their information from the man himself, or sourced to images provided by you.  With sufficient time I could generate similar documentation that I set foot on the moon, married a martian princess, and am the true heir of Lenin. Rockphed (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply: Sure, I guess you could claim I didn't work at NASA, and faked (or someone else faked) my ID cards and certificates because there is no official NASA "alumni" publication listing all employees and contractors that ever worked there. Sure, I guess all of the copies of official documents could have been constructed and then posted publicly for decades (without any public outcry for them being faked) in order to create a fake persona. There are, however, dozens of broadcast videos of me on television in San Diego which still exist. That includes the anchors introducing me by name. Contact the news directors at the ABC (KGTV) or CBS (KFMB) affiliates, or KUSI-TV in San Diego, and they will verify I was there, and did what the article claims I did there. There are literally hundreds of newspaper articles from all over the country showing I was a spokesperson (and officer) for the California Highway Patrol. There is at least one feature editorial which the San Diego Union-Tribune requested I write, which could be found in their files. Good luck on finding anyone else in the United States who spells my name the way I spell it. My original website has been in existence since about 1996. That can be verified by internet archives. My name is on the outside of the main library in Pasadena, Texas. Anyone can go there and see it themselves. My lawsuit which declared an election law in Pasadena unconstitutional can be verified through the Federal Courts in Houston. Anyone could contact the city of San Diego to see if they actually did declare April 6, 2016 as "Phil Konstantin Day". This reminds me of the several Wikipedia editors who kept saying my photos of famous people at KUSI-TV were screenshots, until I posted over 100 photos of me with those famous people. So, your use of the word "hoax" is inappropriate, and I take personal offense at it. If you want to say "unverified by numerous outside sources", then that would be less offensive to a real person who did do 99% of the things which someone else wrote in the article. Phil Konstantin (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


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