Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Mathews


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  21:27, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Phil Mathews

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Only a collegiate head coach, thus fails WP:NHOOPS after satisfying none of the other requirements. Also fails to satisfy WP:NCOLLATH. PROD removed because "he is notable", with no supporting evidence or reasoning given. GauchoDude (talk) 23:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:24, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Like most NCAA Division I men's basketball head coaches, the subject is going to satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG, with significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. A Google keyword search for "Phil Mathews" & "San Francisco" pulled up multiple significant articles in which Mathews was the primary subject.  Here's a selection: (1) Los Angeles Times multiple articles; (2) San Francisco Chronicle (3/9/2004); (3) Press Enterprise (3/14/2013); (4) San Francisco Chronicle (12/18/1998); (5) Los Angeles Daily News (2/26/2010).  This is the tip of the iceberg -- I have not run searches of Google News Archive or Newspapers.com because I don't think it's necessary.  I'm sure other editors will find multiple feature articles about the subject, too.  This article should not be deleted; it just needs loving care from a college basketball fan to build a respectable C-class article.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - In addition to the sources listed by Dirtlawyer1, college basketball head coaches actually do meet WP:NCOLLATH, which reads: "College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage. Examples would include head coaches, well-known assistant coaches, or players who: 1) Have won a national award (such as those listed in Template:College Football Awards or the equivalent in another sport), or established a major Division I (NCAA) record, 2)Were inducted into the hall of fame in their sport (for example, the College Football Hall of Fame), or 3) Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team." Rikster2 (talk) 00:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. The refs Dirtlawyer provided sufficiently counter the nominator's reason for deletion as Mathews being a non-notable head coach (he is). Jrcla2 (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I read the phrase "Examples would include head coaches, well-known assistant coaches, or players who: ..." as using a serial comma, meaning the entire phrase is subject to the list following for which the subject does not meet. If you feel GNG is met, which it may meet with new evidence, then please add to article.  As many of those articles seem to be about him getting hired or fired from a club, I would be wary of WP:ROUTINE which I believe those may fall under. GauchoDude (talk) 13:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * GD, hiring and firing articles may be WP:ROUTINE when they consist of a sentence or two in the "transactions" section of the sports page, but hirings and firings are 5 to 20-year events that often lead to very solid feature articles about the subject coach which include nice summaries of the coach's entire coaching history, including notable successes and failures. As for satisfying GNG regarding Phil Mathews, I am one of the tougher GNG/AfD analyzers and I think the standard is clearly met.  If you want articles about subjects other than Mathews' hirings and firings, I suggest you look over the compilation of Los Angeles Times articles to which I linked above.  If you want more after that, I am happy to run the Google News Archive and Newspapers.com searches, and provide more.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - you are not reading it correctly. It is saying that head coaches, well known assistants and players who (with list).  The clue is the third item which reads "not just a player for a notable team." It doesn't say "player or coach for a notable team. Rikster2 (talk) 13:18, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject of the article meet WP:SPORTCRIT and also meet WP:NCOLLATH. There are significant WP:RS that establish its notability Wikicology (talk) 15:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dirtlawyer1, Rikster, and Jrcla2 as an NCAA Division I head coach. Ejgreen77 (talk) 04:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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