Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Parry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Captain Galaxy (talk) 22:26, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Phil Parry

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Article was originally created probably as a promotion for Parry's (not yet notable) website The Eye Wales and has since been renamed and gutted to leave a biography of Parry. He was a BBC journalist and sometimes a TV presenter and, though I'm old enough to recognise his face, I don't see any substantial independent coverage about him to pas WP:GNG. The WP article is now only supported by the occasional quotes in the Western Mail, or by articles about television programmes (or news items) he was associated with. It is nowhere near strong enough to warrant keeping the article, unfortunately. Sionk (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Capewearer (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Capewearer (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Capewearer (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Capewearer (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Sionk makes some unfair allegations against Parry.


 * He also appears to live and have interests in the eastern South Wales valleys and within 20 miles of Parry. My thoughts ,as an ex Reuters journalist ,is he is in collusion with Llemiles who lives in the same locality.Both appear to have an interest in editing Nation Cymru’s website. Parry set up The Eye Wales journalism site in 2011 after he left the BBC for health reasons.


 * The Nation Cymru site has been set up up in the last couple of years purporting to be an independent news service for Wales. Parry and his Eye site has exposed political bias at Nation Cymru with the editor Ifan Morgan Jones previously proclaiming he was voting Plaid Cymru. There are many examples of the conflict Parry has exposed with Ifan Morgan Jones such as his site receiving funding from the Book Council of Wales which is not allowed to divert funds to political propaganda.


 * Much is made of Ifan Morgan Jones media qualifications but he has only ever been involved in websites unlike Parry who has a long established career with the prime newspaper,commercial tv and BBC Radio and TV ovef decades.


 * Parry deserves credit for his contribution to Welsh Broadcasting over a couple of decades sadly abrupted by a rare illness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Clintergate (talk • contribs) 21:37, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I've no idea where Phil Parry lives, though apparently you do! Wikipedia articles should be based on recognition of people's achievements in the real world (reviews, awards, biographies, news coverage about them) rather than the opinions of Wikipedia editors like you or me. If there is such proof, it would be sensible to reveal it. Sionk (talk) 22:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Simple journalism results in revealing Parry’s location as Cardiff.https://mobile.twitter.com/philparry2?lang=en  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Clintergate (talk • contribs) 08:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * How much proof do you want?
 * https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/long-running-bbc-wales-current-13287695
 * https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/c4e60045-8e73-365c-a929-670af1dc5e0b
 * Martin Clintergate (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not that I have any interest in where he lives, but neither of those articles enlighten me. In fact one only has a quote from him, the other mentions his name twice. Sionk (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Phil Parry is one of Wales's leading investigative journalists. He had a ten-year run as a senior reporter on BBC Wales's flagship current affairs strand 'Week In, Week Out'. At Britain-wide level, he fronted editions of 'Panorama' and also contributed to BBC network programmes 'Newsnight' and 'Public Eye'. He has also worked extensively for BBC Radio Wales. He has also worked in commercial TV and newspapers.


 * As Martin Clintergate states, it does appear as though Sionk is in collusion with Llemiles. Both have an interest in Nation.Cymru, whose editor, Ifan Morgan Jones, Parry exposed as receiving public funding along with having a pro-Plaid Cymru agenda. NeilA1978 (talk) 01:00, 10 June 2020 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: NeilA1978 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * I freely admit to making some small attempts to clean up the Nation.Cymru article, and having an interest in Wales subjects. But I don't think this (or other editors' beef with Ifan Morgan Jones) should have anything to do with this AfD discussion. Sionk (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment could all contributors please be WP:Civil in this discussion, and WP:Assume good faith about other editors. An WP:Articles for deletion discussion is about whether the subject of the article is notable enough for an article, so please comment on the content and not about other editors. Relevant guidelines for notability here include WP:JOURNALIST and WP:BIO: does the subject meet those criteria for inclusion? Thanks, Capewearer (talk) 09:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I would like to echo Capewearer's comments above about WP:AGF. I was pretty horrified at the state of this article when it was originally named The Eye Wales, as it was clearly breaking WP:ADVERT. Martin's keen obsession with Phil and Phil-related articles and arguments has made me repeatedly raise questions about his identity and whether there is a WP:CONFLICT re many of the edits on this article. He has strongly denied it so at best I can only assume he is a close former colleague. All that said, I would like to keep this article on the basis that Phil is indeed a notable journalist. His CV and the (rare) sources with his name attached to major broadcasts are probably just about enough. But I would heavily caveat my Keep vote with the fact we need to keep this article independently sourced and stop it becoming a channel for Phil or his supporters to voice their dislike for other journalists, or those they are investigating. If his blog is the reputable investigatory outlet he says it is, then I'm sure his work will speak for itself. It does not need to be amplified and 'marketed' here or at other articles like Nation.Cymru as Martin has attempted to do. This cannot be an article solely for the purpose of selling The Eye Wales and its work. I am also raising a discussion at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard as I don't believe the content of The Eye is suitable for referencing on Wikipedia. Much of it is very tangential nonsense, Phil's past work aside. Llemiles (talk) 23:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Whatever you think of Parry’s work on The Eye it was the first English language online investigative news site when launched in 2011.He continues to publish stories not found elsewhere.Martin Clintergate (talk) 08:36, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What, like the conspiracy about Carol Vorderman's bottom? He's just about notable but I think you're over egging it. Llemiles (talk) 21:05, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: the Eye is canvassing users to this discussion buidhe 22:08, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - the subject has won a BAFTA Cymru award for his work, and there are significant mentions in reliable sources such as BBC News and Western Mail. Welsh media is notoriously led by very few outlets and so it’s not reasonable to expect a diversity of sources that you might otherwise. However I do have concerns about the tone of this AfD, that would lead me to think that this article needs further work to make it more neutral. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I can see the way the wind is blowing here, but I'd point out Parry didn't win a Bafta Cymru. BBC Wales Panorama won the award. Sionk (talk) 23:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)


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