Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Seaman


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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Phil Seaman

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Pretty sure this is a hoax. If it's not a hoax, the person's not notable.

I can't find any evidence of the existence of this person. All references are mirrors of this article. Neither Discogs, AllMusic, nor Google itself have heard of Vermillion Memoirs (zero hits, outside mirrors), nor have Amazon or Google itself heard of the supposed one ref, "Phil Seaman: The Lost Soul". Anything that comes up is just a misspelling of the the much more famous jazz drummer Phil Seamen.

The editing history of the article is long, and odd. It has existed more than ten years and been edited about 75 times, with apparently nobody realizing that apparently there is no such person. It was created by an editor with his first edit; his career was four other edits after that. And it has been vandalized repeatedly by IPs (an artifact of this being the "See also" Taher Shah -- various edits have claimed that Seaman is Taher Shah (a Pakistani singer)). I believe someone is pulling our leg here. If not, delete anyway on lack of notability. Herostratus (talk) 03:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Now, this is rather interesting. Searches for "Phil Seaman" find mostly what appear to be misspelled results for the jazz drummer Phil Seamen or the odd mirror of this article. Searching the web for "Vermillion Memoir" (the title of the album) reveals one result for a Phil Seaman, who did apparently release an album called "The Vermillion Memoirs", except it was supposed to be in 2006; 20 years after this Phil Seaman is meant to have popped his clogs. Aside from that one reference, all of the other results for "Vermillion Memoirs" are word-for-word copies of the wiki article on various mirror sites; there's no other record I can find that the album was actually ever released. There's no record in any news source I have access to of a "Phil Seaman" ever existing either. In all, it's looking increasingly likely to me that this is an 11 year old hoax. --Jack Frost (talk) 11:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh, right, I got Phil Seaman's website to load (wouldn't load before). Yup, this must be our boy, since he has an album The Vermillion Memoirs and that can't be coincidence.


 * Hmmm. All of the links on that site don't load, so there's just the main page. It has him doing a show at "Treacle House, Norwich". Problem with that is there is no Treacle House in Norwich (or anywhere) that Google knows about. And I would think it is highly unusual for a music venue to exist and not have one single mention, not even a passing mention, anywhere that Google can find. Although it may exist and just be really obscure.


 * But anyway, even if Seaman is real (and the article should be deleted on grounds that its full of false info and is a BLP violation, since he's alive), he's almost preternaturally non-notable. I don't think I've ever checked out an article on anything where there was quite literally nothing except the entity's website. Hoax or lack of notability, doesn't matter: deletion ahoy!


 * Incidentally FWIW, the article (which has said he's dead from its first edit of creation) was created by User:Pseaman. Herostratus (talk) 17:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - nice research by &  - still not sure if it's a hoax or not, but definitely doesn't pass notability criteria.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:54, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


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