Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philip Suprise


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The result was   delete. The article's subject is found to not be notable. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 09:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Philip Suprise

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. PROD contested by another user. Claiming the player played on the national futsal team, but that does not satisfy WP:NFOOTBALL and there's no significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. – Michael (talk) 20:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep - Surprise definitely played for the national futsal team in international competition. I doubt that there is really any doubt about that and will assume the "claims" was just a poor choice of wording, not an actual intention to imply doubt...  The general principle of the various athlete notability guidelines is that participating in the highest level and/or international competition of a given sport confers notability.  It is hardly surprising that futsal wouldn't be covered under the football notability criteria as they are not the same sport.  Yes, they are related, but so are (for example) American and Canadian football and no one would consider those to be the same sport...  The reason international competition is usually considered to confer notability is because it attracts RS coverage, as was the case here.  For example, .  There are many similar examples from official sources and about  Milwaukee Wave activity.  No, none of these sources rises to a level of obvious GNG notability.  But the combination of these sources, together with international play, to me suggests that Suprise is notable.  Additionally, a proper bio can be built by using official biographies (which don't establish notability, but are otherwise valid sources), so theoretical concerns about the page forever being a pseudo-biography wouldn't be warranted. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * So based on what I'm hearing (or reading), you agree with me that the article doesn't meet the notability guidelines and yet your suggesting to me that the player is notable? That makes zero sense. – Michael (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I am saying NFOOTBALL is irrelevant, as futsal is a different sport than football. It is no different than saying a cricket player need not meet NFOOTBALL to be notable.  The rest of my argument as to why he is notable should be abundantly clear.  You are free to disagree, of course, but don't try to put words in my mouth. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I am going to disagree with your argument because you also admitted that the references you provided are routine and don't meet GNG. Which means he is not notable. – Michael (talk) 01:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I consider the sources non-routine because they result from play in an international tournament. The general principle of WP:ATH is that international play confers notability.  Granted, there is no futsal category, but I think the generally principle should still apply. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - as notes WP:NFOOTBALL does not really apply here, so we need to turn to WP:GNG - which this article does not meet. GiantSnowman 12:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT, which does not cover futsal, and in the absence of significant coverage, fails WP:GNG as well. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he hasn't played in a Fully Professional League and doesn't have any international caps. IJA (talk) 13:37, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * He does have 9 international caps (in futsal). --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:11, 13 March 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:43, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Player fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played in a fully professional league, nor senior international football. No indication of any other achievements that have garnered sufficient, significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. NFOOTY does not cover Futsal so those international appearances do not confer notability. Fenix down (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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