Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philippa Tattersall


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The result was Withdrawn by nominator.

Philippa Tattersall

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Strikes me as WP:BLP1E for being the only woman to qualify for the British Commandos. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I would say the first woman ever to pass one of the toughest military selection processes in the world for one of the world's most famous military units is most certainly notable and will have lasting notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems to be a stack of significant coverage including outside of the UK and some recent newspaper coverage as added to the page Kernel Saunters (talk) 12:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep to 1000x oh god please., per above and Systemic_bias (WikiProject_Gender_Studies had a grand total of about 9 people sign up in the whole of last year ) - the lack of coverage on issues affecting women is not for lack of stuff outside Wikipedia but a problem with Wikipedia itself having quite a specific cultural bloc of editors . Philippa Tattersall was a groundbreaking, suffragette moment for the UK that should go down in the history books on the subject of Women in the military: Women in warfare and the military (2000–present):


 * To put this into perspective, a female royal marine is almost equivalent to if GI Jane was real and an american had passed the SEAL training course (the original commandos and not a general purpose group like american marines though green beret commando is probably more the US equivalent and SBS is more equivalent to SEALs but the catch 22 there is that those are recruited from people with prior experience, e.g. a woman who is not allowed to fight can never be even given a chance...)


 * To this day despite her qualifications she is still not allowed to engage in a combat role despite having proven she is capable of it, a major reminder of the psychology of gender roles and the possible male prejudices affecting teamwork, through no fault of the female, being considered just as important an issue as capability: Women in combat.


 * It's not just a one off thing, a year later the Telegraph did a followup article on how... well: "being a woman meant that, once she completed the course, she could only enter the Royal Marines as part of the band. "And to be honest," she says, "that didn't really appeal to me." Instead, she returned to her old job at the Army Foundation College in Harrogate, where she is a platoon commander. Among her tasks there is putting her young charges through the Army training course, which includes rolling a lorry tyre up and down a hill. recently voted "Woman of the Year" by Good Housekeeping magazine."(9 Jan 2003). She's happy and making the best of a bad situation as you do which is cool, but how fucking depressing is that for the idea of equal rights on gender for humanity? There have been people who've literally went to another country to join up because of the discrimination.


 * -- Mistress Selina Kyle  ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉ )  13:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I've never subscribed to this theory that anyone who achieves any kind of record is instantly made non-notable because it's a BLP1E. But if you insist on disregarding all the news stories about becoming a commando made at the time, there's more then enough coverage after the event to meet the notability criteria. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 16:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment; thirteen indepth stories from reliable sources; plus (at this time) 1,700 mentions from mixed sources. That being said Angelo Zawaydeh has 13,800 mentions in mixed sources (many major reliable news sources), but was deleted. I know that such reasoning is under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST, however given my experience such an AfD should be mentioned. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination. There are sufficient follow-up issues and resulting media attention to erase my doubts. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:32, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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