Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philippe Coutinho


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The result was   Keep - the subject passes WP:BIO. We are not here to debate whether the transfer is finalized or legal, a widely published (see links provided by ) announcement is sufficient grounds for verifiability.'''. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Philippe Coutinho

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A youth player NOT a notable professional footballer yet. Matthew_hk  t  c  13:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Technically may not meet WP:FOOTYN yet, but a €3.8M transfer fee is probably notable in itself. Even if it isn't, there seems no point deleting the article given that he's virtually certain to play for the Vasco first team this season and will meet WP:FOOTYN the instant he sets foot on the pitch. – iride  scent  13:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep fails WP:ATHLETE i think but, may with the coverage from reuters actually weakly meet the WP:N for coverage in reliable 3rd party sources. I don't really like the "crystal ball" of "he's virtually certain" etc but, if a couple of more reliable sources can be found around the transfer fee than he would be notable for that. And 16 means he is a young player but, I don't think being young is the same as being a "youth" player (at least when it comes to football. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The transfer fee is sourced from FIFA itself, I don't see how you can get more reliable than that in a football context. – iride  scent  14:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Never said nor meant to imply in anyway that the FIFA source isn't reliable I'm saying in order to meet the multiple reliable etc portion of the notability/verifiability guidelines we probably need more than the FIFA and reuters entries. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep You don't need many sources to establish reliability. Notability is trickier, but a club paying that amount of money for a player who has still to play a professional game could be notable in itself. We should normally be cautious about saying something is "almost certain" but we might make an exception in this case, see WP:IAR. PatGallacher (talk) 15:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, footballer fails notability at WP:ATHLETE having never played in a fully professional league or competition. The transfer fee is not notworthy enough to keep the article. There is nothing of any value on the article at the moment to ignore all rules. --Jimbo[online] 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Masses of in depth coverage in major news sources, found in even the most cursory news search. WP:ATHLETE is there to stop articles on people who never reach the field, and are not notable by any stretch of the imagination. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you provide some links to the "masses of in depth coverage in major news sources" cause even as a fellow keep voter I didn't find that and it would definitely help the overall argument if they could be provided. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All I did was put his name into Google News. A small selection from the first page; 1 2, 3 4, 5 and over 200 stories on this guy. Mostlyharmless (talk) 10:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. I get 150 on people named "Philippe Coutinho" (unfortunately, I can't read the ones in foreign languages). Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:Athlete. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 04:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well referenced. Clearly meets WP:BIO. Whether he meets other criteria or not is irrelevent, as WP:BIO trumps the other criteria. Nfitz (talk) 05:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Delete. Changing !vote based on Angelo's research below. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  09:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment No official announced he had been a Inter player. And for Fabio and Rafeal brother of ManU, they was deleted too, although wide media coverage and high transfer fee. Matthew_hk  t  c  16:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, FIFA.com buy news from AFP, verifiability is lower than official. Matthew_hk  t  c  16:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - the references are sufficient to establish his notability regardless of WP:ATHLETE. See WP:IAR, which could have been written about this article. Bart133 t c @ How's my driving? 02:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment the Dalai Lama fails WP:POLITICIAN, but is notable for the same reason as Phillipe Coutinho - there are enough sorces to establish notability regardless of the guidelines. Bart133 t c @ How's my driving? 02:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Inter has never finalized this transfer, there's no official announcement in the club website, and no track of this move in the Italian Football League website as well. This reported move remains merely a rumour. And please do not compare Coutinho to the Dalai Lama, a major religious leader who has a much more significant coverage than a 16-year old footballer who has never played a fully professional match. --Angelo (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment There is a record in Brazilian FA, indicated that he officially a Vasco Da Gama player, just a non-notable youth player of a notable team. Matthew_hk  t  c  15:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment The International Herald Tribune and Xinhua are considered reliable sources, no? Bart133 t c @ How's my driving? 22:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - has met to make a professional first team appearance. Furthermore, this AfD is a classic example of why Wikipedia needs WP:ATHLETE (rather than deleting or ignoring it as some users want), otherwise any youth teamer who happen to have a news report written about him will be eligible regardless of whether he is actually notable in this particlar field or not. In this case, all he seems to be 'famous' for is being transferred for €3.8M, which to my mind is actually WP:BIO1E. Bettia   (rawr CRUSH!)  10:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:ATHLETE. If the big money transfer had been substantiated then there was the makings of a notability case but I am persuaded by the excellent research of User:Angelo.romano that there is an insufficient audit trail. Smile a While (talk) 02:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


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