Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phillip Saunders


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The result was   delete. Shimeru (talk) 00:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Phillip Saunders

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Fails WP:PROF ("Lesser administrative posts (Provost, Dean, Department Chair, etc) are generally not sufficient to satisfy Criterion 6"), fails general notability, no 'significant coverage in reliable sources'  Chzz  ►  04:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, per original comment. Fails WP:PROF and general notability guidelines. - Reconsider !  07:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. See the results of this Google Scholar search. While the dean of a law school is not automatically notable, there is a very good chance that any academic appointed to that position is notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Well, the GS search doesn't turn up much. This is far short of what we'd normally expect under WP:PROF. StAnselm (talk) 11:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


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 * Delete. The citability results are not impressive, and there is nothing else in the record to indicate passing WP:PROF. In particular, his bio-page does not mention any awards, journal editorships, etc. Nsk92 (talk) 11:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only one mention in news, 1995, and few publications. There should be a lot more for notability, even for a dean of a law school. MiRroar (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep   Dean of a school of law is head of the school, and law schools are normally almost independent. This use of dean is different from such titles as "Dean of Students" and the like. His bio p. at the university  shows numerous technical publications in just the last few years--he seems an expert on law of the sea.  DGG ( talk ) 23:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Do any secondary sources say he is an expert in the law of the sea? Because he is not heavily cited in that field. Abductive  (reasoning) 07:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep - dean of a law school, full professor, and admiralty law expert. We almost always keep law school deans. Bearian (talk) 17:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Schulich School of Law or Delete. When all that can be said about a person is "dean of a law school, full professor, and admiralty law expert", that is not an encyclopedia article. That is a tidbit of information that belongs in an infobox. The claim that he is an expert in admiralty law is unsupported by secondary sources or citation record. Also, there is another Phillip Saunders, a professor of economics at Indiana University, who has a better claim on WP:PROF. Abductive  (reasoning) 07:03, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. He's not even the most prominent Phillip Saunders in maritime law; a paper by a different researcher, Phillip C. Saunders, concerning China's claims to the Diaoyu Islands comes up much higher in Google scholar. Despite some digging I was unable to find any evidence that he passes WP:PROF or other notability guides. Even if one argues that deans of law are inherently notable (not a position I hold myself but I've seen it in past AfDs) we would need something nontrivial to say about him. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Keep arguments are 'deans are usually notable'. It takes about 30 seconds to write that and little thought or research. I'm not seeing anything more substantial from the keep votes. Googled for news about him. Nothing. Szzuk (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.