Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phoebe Hearst Elementary School - Del Cerro, San Diego


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep -- JForget 00:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Phoebe Hearst Elementary School - Del Cerro, San Diego

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A non-notable elementary school; the article's creator is determined to have it here for all the wrong reasons (see below). The single citation, if you look at it, seems to be a press release written by the school. The author has COI issues and has returned the article after five speedy deletions, so I'll ask the closing administrator, if the decision is to delete, for SALT. Accounting4Taste: talk 22:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. The article's author states: "The wikipedia page requires an open environment where students, staff, and community members can add facts about the early history of the school as it nears its 50 anniversary."  This seems to run up against the policy that Wikipedia is not a social networking site; what's proposed is a page full of personal and unverifiable assertions with no references or sources.  Accounting4Taste: talk 22:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:V due to lack of sources, WP:COI too. Agree with salting the article since it's already been deleted 5 times. Also, schools CAN be speedy deleted, it's just that some admins are reluctant to do so (but there's no rule saying they can't).  TJ   Spyke   23:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello...I don't wish this to be a social network site, but a collaborative, factual history of an award winning school. I intend to add many independent citations regarding this noteworthy school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Outlawv (talk • contribs) 23:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral In another example of the "you won't believe the things mainstream media deign to notice" phenomenon, their 2nd-grade science fair was written up in USA Today . On the more amusing side, they also suspended a city school board member's kid for bringing a butterknife to class .cab (talk) 00:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Move to userpage - move it to the author's userpage until it's up to snuff. - mattbuck 02:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   —Noroton (talk) 03:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * delete and salt per nom. Chris (クリス) (talk) 03:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - since the nomination the necessary multiple, secondary sources have been added to meet WP:N. TerriersFan (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep — notability has been established with the many references, especially by a national newspaper. Nyttend (talk) 05:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see how references about issues which are common at a high proportion (most?) schools of this type (eg, funding shortfalls, traffic flow problems and the odd dumb kid with a knife) establish notability - schools are not automatically notable, so a reference which demonstrates why the school is somehow notably different from the norm is needed. --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - "a reference which demonstrates why the school is somehow notably different from the norm is needed" is wholly inaccurate. A football club doesn't have to differ from other football clubs; a pop CD doesn't have to be different from other pop CDs. What they all have in common is a need to meet WP:N which is met by multiple, independent sources. The fact that many schools have the same issues is irrelevant; what counts is that they are reported by the media. TerriersFan (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Notability cited. Its not very interesting though Victuallers (talk) 09:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - asserts notability, well-sourced, balanced (e.g., traffic problems), and appears to have been fixed up. Maybe the local news has a particular interest in this school. Bearian (talk) 13:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable per non-trivial secondary source coverage. Cited sources are recent, but Google searches suggest more RS coverage over time. • Gene93k (talk) 14:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Now that CaliforniaAliBaba has done such sterling work at researching and providing references, I'm actually tempted to change what's left of my mind; an excellent piece of work has been done here and we owe CaliforniaAliBaba a vote of thanks for rescuing this article.  It is now much more balanced than it was ever likely to be when written by a member of the school's PTA.  I still don't think elementary schools are inherently notable but I have no problem with someone closing this out as a "Keep".  Accounting4Taste: talk 15:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. I remain neutral on whether or not this article should be here, but my philosophy is that we might as well make sure it doesn't remain so bad that it reflects poorly on Wikipedia as a whole. I suppose I'm not so much disappointed by the "keep" consensus for this article as I am irritated by the mainstream media and newspaper-purchasing public which seems to feel some rich kids' science projects and traffic problems are more worthy of notice than, say, the best-selling book in China  or the first female prime minister of Rwanda . (Keep that in mind next time you see that same mainstream media wikigroaning about how our Romulan Star Empire articles are longer and more detailed than our Roman Empire articles). cab (talk) 01:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Well cited, meets WP:N. Midorihana ~いいです ね？ 20:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep good job in improving.Noroton (talk) 01:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.