Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phoenix Critics Circle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Phoenix Critics Circle

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I came across this group via the related AfD for one of their awards.

I noted that the PCC was very recently founded (September 2014) and a search didn't bring up anything that would show that it would pass notability guidelines at this point in time. The coverage is predominantly through blogs and similar SPS. The AZ Central hosted their ballots, but a look at the article shows that it was written by one of their members, which makes it a primary source. I do see that the awards got mentioned here, but I don't know that Awards Daily would be a RS per Wikipedia's guidelines. I just don't know that this would really be enough to show that this relatively new organization is notable. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm also nominating the following related awards pages:
 * Phoenix Critics Circle Awards 2014
 * Phoenix Critics Circle Awards 2015
 * Phoenix Critics Circle Award for Best Director


 * I think that it's just WP:TOOSOON for this organization to have an article since the coverage as a whole is so insanely light. I have no problem with the article getting recreated in the future when the coverage becomes much heavier, but I will caution that it's very difficult for organizations as a whole to pass GNG on Wikipedia because WP:CORP (which also encompasses organizations both big and small) has one of the higher bars set as far as notability goes on here. I will note that there's also a template (Template:Phoenix Critics Circle Awards) that will need to be speedied or MfD'd when/if these articles are deleted. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * On a side note, though, if Nauriya wants to userfy any of this if the pages do get deleted, I have zero problem with that. It might be a long while before PCC passes guidelines since it can take years for film organizations to really become established, but there's no reason why you can't do this - I've held on to userpages for a while myself on occasion. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:00, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. sst✈(discuss) 12:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. sst✈(discuss) 12:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. See also WT:FILM for a related discussion at WikiProject Film. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 13:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete — WikiProject:Film went through a long cleansing of countless trivial regional critics groups. Like the deleted North Carolina Film Critics Association and Oklahoma Film Critics Circle, this is a non-notable local group that exists primarily as an awards-mill. Please see this discussion, which discusses, among other things, how the Phoenix Film Critics Society already was deleted.--Tenebrae (talk) 06:58, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for now as none of the current article suggests even a minimally better notable article. Notifying local user . SwisterTwister   talk  07:03, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - would love to vote keep on this one, but simply not enough out there to show that it passes WP:CORPDEPTH. Some coverage on the internet but on sites like Examiner, Flickreel, etc. Awards.com appears to be little more than a fan blog. Onel 5969  TT me 13:13, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


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