Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phoenix club (association football)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Phoenix club (association football)

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Clear case of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. MicroX (talk) 04:24, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Speedy delete - per WP:CSD. This article is essentially the same as the one that was deleted at Articles for deletion/List of pheonix clubs. Sir Sputnik (talk) 05:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed the CSD tag, I don't think it's eligible. GiantSnowman 11:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:59, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep - I read an article recently about the term "phoenix club" and examples of phoenix clubs around the world. Unfortunately, I did not add it as a reference to this article, and now am I unable to find it again. Either way, the subject "phoenix club" is definately notable, I can't see how that could be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. If it is the list of phoenix clubs that is the problem, this can easily be removed from the article. This nomination looks like content dispute that can be discussed at the talk-page and not a notability-issue that needs to be discussed in an AfD. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:44, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - the term is quite widely used in football - see, for example, this search, but does it really merit a full-blown article, or would an entry at Glossary of association football terms suffice.........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - the concept seems to have received decent coverage, the article needs improving with prose rather than just being an unreferenced list. GiantSnowman 17:29, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - If List of phoenix clubs was deleted why should Phoenix club (association football) be kept? The two sources in the article do not even mention the word "phoenix club". The search result listed above slightly cheats notability as "phoenix club" is searched with "Wimbledon". Without Wimbledon, "phoenix club" doesn't even seem to meet general notability. --MicroX (talk) 22:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That was just to back up the claim that the term is widely used in football. Without "Wimbledon" there would presumably be even more results........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - It does seem pretty clear that this is a list of clubs formed mainly off the back of the preceding club going bust. Perhaps the article title is not the best and a move should be considered, but the issue with this article appears to me to be more to do with lack of sourced prose than notability. Fenix down (talk) 08:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Couldn't agree more with GiantSnowman. This needs expanding not deleting. The term 'Phoenix club' is a known and used term in football and there are many reliable references out there.--Egghead06 (talk) 21:04, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - What part of WP:OR or SYNTH is this supposed to be in clear violation of? The main problem with this article is that fans of some prominent phoenix clubs will edit war out their new club from the list. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 17:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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