Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phousseyne Diaby


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. NFOOTY is a presumption of notability as part of NSPORTS. The presumption is that players who have played in a fully professional league are notable per GNG. This has been challenged here and not a single source has been presented to indicate that the presumption of GNG is correct. Fenix down (talk) 09:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Phousseyne Diaby

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Article about amateur footballer who made a 3 minute substitute's appearance in the fully-pro Ligue 2 6 years ago. There is plenty of precedent (see e.g., Articles for deletion/Phakamani Mngadi) for treating a footballer who has played such a minimal amount in a fully-pro league as not satisfying WP:FOOTBALL when the article comprehensively fails WP:GNG as this one does. All online coverage is routine such as database listings and a note about an absence from the squad due to injury. Jogurney (talk) 18:52, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep. All professional footballers are notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:39, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That is not at all what the notability guideline for football says. Here is a list of leagues that are considered notable.
 * Above comment made by Jacona. -The Gnome (talk) 09:30, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:45, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: Definitely satisfies WP:BIO, WP:SPORTSPERSON, WP:NSPORT, WP:NFOOTBALL (this player is a member of a team participating in tournaments conducted by FIFA), links=, , etc).-- PA TH  SL OP U  08:06, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NFOOTY. The list of leagues considered fully professional and thus meeting the notability requirement of the football notability guideline, does not include the belgian 3rd tier nor the belgian 2nd tier. I don't see any indication that this player passes the general notability guideline either.Jacona (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – per SoccerWay, it appears this player's only NFOOTY game is the one sub appearance for 3 minutes. Since then, he has played in non-WP:FPL leagues. Per SW, his appearance on the youth national team was also 3 minutes in duration. I can find no coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Leviv&thinsp;ich 05:41, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * There is recent precedent that one NFOOTY-qualifying game, absent GNG, is not enough for notability:       . Leviv&thinsp;ich  20:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - 3 minutes of play at the edges of NFOOTY 6 years ago. Has since moved to lower leagues - no expectation of future NFOOTY play. Fails GNG per my BEFORE. Icewhiz (talk) 07:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The article clearly passes the criteria of notability as stated in the Football/Fully professional leagues list. Shotgun pete 8:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG, even if he technically passes WP:NFOOTBALL through 3 minutes of play. GiantSnowman 07:37, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - I really hope people would stop citing FPL in AfD until this has been evaluated and put into policy. This is a list/essay which is incomplete. It is not policy. Also, some in the list lack sources or are poorly sourced. This issue was brought to my attention when I was participating in another AfD concerning a footballer from Sierra Leone. When I went through the archived source for Sierra Leone, it was evident that the editor who added that source had misinterpreted what the source said. I'm not even a football fan but time after time I have seen some editors cite that list as if it is a policy. Perhaps I should raise this concern over there as well. At the moment, we can only go by our policies set in stone, and as far as I can see, I am inclined to agree with Path slopu.Tamsier (talk) 17:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you saying there is a league this player has played in that is fully professional but not listed on FPL? NFooty says "fully professional league" not "league listed on FPL", so I agree that FPL isn't the end of the discussion. If RSes demonstrate that he played in a fully professional league (for more than 3 minutes 6 years ago), that might sway !voters. Leviv&thinsp;ich 17:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * In my research, the French media refers to the football leagues below Ligue 2 (e.g., Championnat National and below) as amateur. If you have sources which indicate these leagues are fully-pro, please share them. Jogurney (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Given the ongoing discussion (and another dispute over this aspect) a relist seems in order -
 * Delete Lack of substantive sources beyond routine database stats fails GNG. 3 minutes of play in a minor league makes any claim of automatic notability an utter embarrassment. Reywas92Talk 05:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - clearly passes WP:NFOOTY as he has played for a fully professional team in a fully professional league. --Jimbo[online] 13:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Subject fails WP:NFOOTY. The criteria and subject's scoring on them are presented herebelow.
 * Must have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure: Phousseyne Diaby is a player of K.V. Woluwe-Zaventem, his first, only, and current club, which are in the Belgian Third Amateur Division. Must have played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic, Continental or Intercontinental club competition: Phousseyne Diaby has never played in such a fixture. Must have played FIFA recognised senior international football or football at the Olympic games: Phousseyne Diaby has never played in such a game.
 * A commendable effort, then, to create an article but ultimately there is no Wikinotablity. -The Gnome (talk) 09:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Still no consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment – In an April 11 comment above, I listed links to some "recent precedent" in similar AfDs. Since then, several more similar AfDs have closed. They are all listed here. Leviv&thinsp;ich 03:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


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