Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Physicians for Patient Protection


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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 13:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Physicians for Patient Protection

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Non notable organization, that, in my estimation, fails WP:NORG. Only incidental mentions in reliable news sources, yet far fewer medical journal sources than I'd expect for an organization with so many physicians. As there is no in-depth coverage of the organization in reliable sources, I propose the article be deleted. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 06:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete - but I'll note one thing; this is an advocacy organisation, not a medical research organisation. They are unlikely to appear in medical journals (regardless of their membership) as they don't conduct research or public results. They are essentially a lobby group, and in this case, one that would seem to fail our inclusion criteria.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 06:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I forgot to mention it the original post, but the reason that I did not attempt a WP:PROD first is that there seems to be a quite active on-wiki battle concerning this organization, see ; I expected PROD to be a waste of time as any of the COIN-listed editors are likely to remove the tag. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 06:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem at all.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 06:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete I am just not seeing the coverage needed to meet WP:NORG or to treat this organisation in a neutral way. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:48, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep (or possibly Merge with an article on the broader topic) with the caveat that this article will need some MAJOR revision for neutrality and likely a high level of page protection if it is kept. They appear to have received significant coverage in several large newspapers, like Chicago Tribune, the Boston Globe, Times of San Diego. If WP:NORG isn't met, I think it should be merged and redirected into an article on the issues and controversies around expanded autonomy for RNs and PAs. The article is terrible, yes, but I think the organization warrants coverage. Niftysquirrel (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I found those too, but the first name-checks the organisation in relation to something else (and it is among a dozen other such organisations quoted in the article), the second is behind a paywall so is difficult to assess (though not invalid, but it doesn't seem to be about the organisation), and the third name-checks the organisation in a single sentence and then moves on to quoting an entirely different organisation. Not sure any of those could be considered "significant coverage".  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 01:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep the problem here is that someone has stuffed this article to the gills with sources written by the founder, Rebekah Bernard. Take those away, and cut the article to a stub or start class article on what it does, who founded it and when, and what they have done. Source that with the many, many press mentions available. The depth of coverage is not terrific, but you have to admit that they have made a name for themselves and appear very, very frequently in the news. I also saw a couple of GBooks sources. It would seem to meet WP:NPROFIT, expecially the criteria statement there that "No organization is considered notable except to the extent that independent sources demonstrate that it has been noticed by people outside of the organization." I was independently reading about them this morning in the Washington Post; they are a known thing with enough decent coverage for us to keep it. --- Possibly &#9742; 02:38, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've trimmed some of the bloat, but there is lots more trimming to do. --- Possibly &#9742; 02:47, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree, primarily because there are not even enough sources with the required depth of coverage to write a good stub, much less a good full article. Associated physicians are often quoted by the media, yes, but the depth of coverage is severely lacking. This could very easily just be a case of WP:TOOSOON, the organization has only existed since 2018 after all. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 02:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Possible merge targets could be scope of practice or (which should probably be moved to ). Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 03:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:NORG specifically excludes "educational institutions". WP:ORG is not relevant to this 501(c)(4) nonprofit educational institution .... ReasonAndScience (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It is preposterous to call PPP an "educational institution". That part of the text clearly refers to universities and other schools. Regardless, even WP:NGO requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization, which PPP does not have. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 13:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, fails WP:NORG. Inexpiable (talk) 20:47, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, for failing WP:NORG. Ifnord (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and regardless of any potential way this article could be saved, I will also yield WP:TNT. – The Grid  ( talk )  20:42, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


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