Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pidi Tongap


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 04:01, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Pidi Tongap

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Contested PROD. Article of non notable person, it has been 6 years without single source. And the proposed deletion was challenged with this 2-line statistics source which cannot even be used to actually tell us who he is. –Ammarpad (talk) 00:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep - This man has played for PNG against the Kiwis in the 4N.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what earned him one mention along this two-line summary which you gave as evidence of notability when deprodding. I first thought it contained his "brief" history but it turns out it can't even give his full name. Do you have any other in-depth coverage (apart from statistics pages) that can meet WP:GNG and let's know his real name and from where he is? –Ammarpad (talk) 09:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 02:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * He played.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:42, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's another statistics, duplicate of the above one. Perhaps we should bare it like this http://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match3978.html. How can we create "biography of living person" with statistics only?, –Ammarpad (talk) 10:58, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * He qualifies as he played in the 4N, rather than trying to kill the article I would, if I were you, look for additional sources, be they books, magazines, websites, etc.Theanonymousentry (talk) 12:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Notability is "guideline" and is superseded by commonsense. Many people also played but if the only evidence of there existence is statistics of not more than two-row, then we can't have encyclopedic article about them. This BLP article was was created since 2010 with zero source. it was prodded as unsourced BLP the day it was created but the author removed the BLP prod without given even unreliable source. It remained in that state for 6 years against BLP policy because it is dead end page and nobody knew it exist. I then prodded it, but you removed the prod and gave this stats page with questionable reliability as evidence of notability (http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/pidi-tongap/summary.html). I hope whoever read this will try to see what the link contains overall. So am not trying to kill it (whatever that means), but I am trying to remove from Wikipedia; questionable BLP which lacks any information to write in encyclopedia. At this point the existence of this person is questionable itself. If he indeed do exist then I need more evidence to believe that linked name means this particular person because just searching for a name in google and matching one statistics page which failed to give any further definite identifying information (like sex, age, brief biography, etc) is not enough. The name can be his and may be not. Also before I prodded it I searched everywhere I can, but I can't find the source. Now it is your responsibility to find the reliable sources that can tell us who he is and give us his "history" to write, because if I'd found them I wouldn't have started this AfD. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * here's a source. Noted as vice captain of the team. Took 2 minutes to find. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, now he exists. But Vice-Captains are not inherently notable until they have sufficient coverage from independent sources that can assert that. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, only sources are directories and very brief mentions. Does not meet the WP:GNG.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:56, 23 January 2018 (UTC).

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete- only sources are statistical entries and passing mentions. It's not possible to build a BLP on those. Reyk YO! 09:17, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * New Zealand 76-12 Papua New Guinea notability inherent the moment he walked on the pitch and hit the ball up.Theanonymousentry (talk) 14:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete due to lack of sources to establish WP:N. There is no such thing as inherent notability.  -- RoySmith (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


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