Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pierre Darcourt (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Problem for the supporters is they don't actually present any argument other than "this person is notable". Drmies (talk) 03:24, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Pierre Darcourt
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The subject of this article to meet the standards of WP:N due to lack of multiple, non-trivial references in reliable, third-party sources. There's no Wikipedia policy on the oldest anything being automatically notable by the encyclopedia's standards (also based on long-term consensus, including most recently the redirecting of this World's oldest person). Thus we default to the general notability guidelines and any material of encyclopedic merit can be included on the many longevity-related lists on Wikipedia.. Canadian  Paul  18:22, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Keep You just revealed you're copying and pasting the same damn thing to every article's AfD. Pierre Darcourt was male, for one thing, and is most certainly notable - he is the first man to have ever reached the age of 108. For about a century he was the oldest man ever, at time of death he was oldest person ever, and he took the maximum lifespan for males from 103 (which had been set by Ferdinand Ashmall) to 108. He added 5 years to the maximum male lifespan ON HIS OWN, basically. He's most certainly notable. DN-boards1 (talk) 18:24, 10 October 2015 (UTC) — DN-boards1 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * You're right I am, because they're all eligible for deletion based upon the same rationale. That's why almost all of these were redirected and deleted by consensus in the past. Canadian   Paul  18:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But Pierre Darcourt may be the most notable of the ones you've nominated (sans Augusta Holtz and Fannie Thomas) yet. DN-boards1 (talk) 18:27, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * And just for the record, this article has been nominated before, and last time, it was decided to be kept, yet somehow it got deleted without any consensus whatsoever. The first person to reach the age of 108 is notable. DN-boards1 (talk) 19:24, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In fact, to quote an IP at the last AfD for this, "I suggest - retain this article; this man was the oldest human ever, for a good number of years (based on present knowledge, which is fallible and incomplete). I propose retaining this article, at least until his age is proven incorrect - and exaggerated; or until there is proof of an earlier person older than he. As the 'oldest ever' he will be one of a very small number - possibly fewer than a dozen - Plante, Darcourt, Peters (or D'Evergroote and Boomgard), Filkins, Graham, Izumi - or Williams (and White), and Calment. Eleven in all, some not totally convincingly verified - but Darcourt was! Keep this article." DN-boards1 (talk) 19:27, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Delete As per WP:Notability (people): People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. And, just for the record, just because it was previously deleted does not mean that it should not be deleted now.Isambard Kingdom (talk) 19:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've added another RS, just so you know.DN-boards1 (talk) 20:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Keep Pierre Joseph Darcourt is just THE benchmark for the great longevity in first documented time. He's the first known person to turn 108, still one of oldest men ever in Belgium, and possibly the oldest person at his death. He's notable by quoting in some articles about longevity, and was known at the time of his death as the oldest on belgian centenarians' censuses. Also, one of his discoverers, Mr. Michel Poulain, disclosed that he was born and died in the town of Audregnies. Archives online supports the longevity claim, and he's validated by GRG. We can't do more reliable. --LC-Barti (talk) 23:10, 10 October 2015 (UTC) — LC-Barti (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Keep – per consensus at the previous afd. Oculi (talk) 02:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Even if notable, WP:NOPAGE applies. EEng (talk) 14:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even the guidelines at WP:WOP state that merely getting old comes under the rules for 'single event' notability.  And here, I'm not seeing a good redirect.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 23:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


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