Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pillow (bodybuilder)


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The result was keep. However, sources found here should ideally be added to the article. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 04:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Pillow (bodybuilder)

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Falls very short of WP:BIO standards. Capt. Milokan (talk) 01:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bodybuilding-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - Well, the subject seems to be notable by virtue of coverage in independent sources as a bodybuilder (featured in three magazines in the 80s). It does seem like winning Miss Exotic World is a major award in this niche as well, although a little hard to evaluate. The issue with the article seems to be sourcing, not one of notability. For example, Muscle & Fitnesss online archives only go back to 1998, so digital copies of this source for verification may not exist. Is there a reason you think these sources are unlikely to constitute notable coverage? Suriname0 (talk) 15:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, GMV is not a source - it is a video label. Women's Physique World is a sketchy source, at best. Capt. Milokan (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - I don't see any issues with the sources themselves. Finding them online isn't ever going to be straightforward for something as niche as women bodybuilders in the early 1980s, but I can find multiple Women's Physique World articles linked here, one of which can be read here and here. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 11:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:52, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - I found several sources:
 * "PAPA JOE'S WOMEN"; January 15, 1987; Anchorage Daily News (AK); Author: DEBBIE McKINNEY; Page: E1 (Interview and background; over 1000 words about Pillow)
 * "THE STRIPPING LIFE LOSING ITS APPEAL"; February 20, 1990; Anchorage Daily News (AK); SHEILA TOOMEY; Page: D1 (742 word article about Pillow)
 * 'Pillow' case: 2 actress claim name; November 3, 1991; Daily Breeze (Torrance, CA) Author: Pat Alston | Page: A3 (338 word article about dispute between Bell and Faye Baker over use of the name "Pillow")
 * Burlesque Hall of Fame (link)
 * Strip City, A Stripper's Farewell Journey Across America (2003) by Lily Burana (I can only see a snippet so am not sure how much about Pillow is in there)
 * There are also a number of other shorter mentions in the Alaskan press that could be used to add details to the article.
 * Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

"Pillow so OS One of the most remarkably muscular women to ever step on a stage at a bodybuilding competition, Pillow ( the only name she uses ) won the Ms . Alaska title, then moved to southern California both for the sun and to train at ..."
 * Comment there is also this CBC article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment – I found more coverage in The Gold's Gym Book of Bodybuilding, here. It's a snippet view, so difficult to ascertain. Below is the snippet from the Google search results that led to the book source. North America1000 19:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


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