Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot (M*A*S*H)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Kept. Shouldn't require any explanation. Wily D 12:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Pilot (M*A*S*H)

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Plot summary and trivia, some of which I removed. Episodes aren't individually notable by default, just as is the case with most other TV series. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aren't you supposed to perform some sort of due diligence before you nominate? The awards were found in a search that took nanoseconds. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * ''' Merge and redirect to List of M*A*S*H episodes (Season 1). Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  02:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * '''keep per fine arguments presented herein Kudos to rescuers.  Dloh  cierekim  14:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and add more real world context and criticism, this one needs to be expanded not deleted. We need to avoid a bias toward recentism. I don't see any difference between this MASH episode and a random Seinfeld episode, for example: The Postponement. Seinfeld has episodic plot outlines as well as season summaries. We also need to move the images to the seasonal outlines. And prophylacticly if your going to cite WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS please keep in mind the newer WP:DONTQUOTEPERSONALESSAYSASPOLICY. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Surely the pilot of MASH can be shown to be notable, no? This source contains some good info. The episode was nominated for two Emmys and won a Director's Guild Award. (I suspect that out-of-universe information does exist for many of the other MASH articles up for deletion, but that people just don't know where to get it.) Zagalejo^^^ 06:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note Here is the full list of episode plot summaries up for deletion here and here. All of season one is up for deletion, yet identical plot summaries exist for every episode of Seinfeld, and Lost. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 07:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep as award winning pilot of an award winning series. Bringing this to AfD is quite interesting, as its notability is beyond reproach.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Episode is notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Award winning pilot, as mentioned above. Plus obviously it was the start of an extremely successful series, so that makes it notable.   D r e a m Focus  08:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He is already moving on to season two of MASH: please see 5 O’Clock Charlie. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 09:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * THIS IS ABSURD HARASSMENT OF ME BY RICHARD ARTHUR NORTON! I DIDN'T EVEN NOMINATE THIS ARTICLE, YET BECAUSE OF HIS RAPID-FIRE CUT N PASTE BEHAVIORS, HE'S ACCUSING ME OF IT, AS HE HAS DONE ON EVERY OTHER ARTICLE. HE IS CANVASSING USERS WHO VOTED ON ANY MASH AFD, AND HE CANNOT STOP THIS BAD FAITH BEHAVIOR AGAINST ME, DESPITE MULTIPLE REQUESTS/WARNINGS TO DO SO. ThuranX (talk) 13:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ThuranX certainly started on season two and added the tag in this edit. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. I count all of season one, and a start at season two, with 26 articles. Do I have that number wrong? I apologize if I am wrong. I am not canvassing to bring in new people, I am notifying participating individuals that the AFD runs into multiple articles and we have to express our opinions at each one. Notifying aggrieved parties is the basis of any legal proceeding. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. You did not nominate this ONE. However in his mentioning your nomination of THIS, he recognizes that the number that the list of Mash articles you have personally nominated has so far grown to 16. I suggest that it is sometimes difficult enough to address issues of sourcing when one has to do a diligent search for one or two articles... but 16 AfDs for these, all running at the same time? Might you understand his frustration? In light of your 15 previous nominations, his noting number 16 and stating "he's moving on to season 2" seems to show an honest worried concern about your multiple nominations of this notable series' episodes.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am confused ThuranX, you complain about the backlash of your mass suggested deletions, but what did you expect? Your attempting to delete the entire first season of one of the most popular series in television history, wiping out hundreds of editors contributions over years? Did you truly expect a positive reaction? Ikip (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong keep these deletion nominations of MASH, 24 thus far, have gotten out of control. The pilot of mash is up for deletion now? This is ridiculous. Highly notable episode, meeting guidelines. Maybe this drama would have been avoided if WP:PRESERVE and WP:BEFORE were followed an this was discussed on the episode 1  talk page. Two other series, which are not even close to being as acclaimed and as popular as MASH have gained Featured article status, Pilot (House) and Pilot (Smallville) Ikip (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. This shouldn't even be up for debate.  It's an Emmy-nominated pilot.  This begins to smell of WP:POINT. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Zagalejo. There's 5 or 6 episodes of M*A*S*H which are notable in themselves, & this episode is one of them. The article, I think everyone will admits, obviously needs work. -- llywrch (talk) 05:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.