Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pine Valley (All My Children)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. v/r - TP 02:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Pine Valley (All My Children)

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This article's topic is a fictional city of a soap opera that will be cancelled this month. It is full of fictional in-universe references and less of true perspectives. The primary sources would be ABC and the show itself; I can't find third-party publishings, and fansites and fan dedications do not count. I will not propose a "merge" here; instead, I propose a deletion. The page has a history log; I will fear unofficial or disruptive reverts without adding more sources if this will be redirected without deletion. Also, the show itself will be cancelled, so I'm not sure about the fictional city's notability. I originally wanted prod, but I'm not sure about the show's fans' reactions. —Gh87 (talk) 21:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  — &mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 22:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I would recommend restating this nomination without regard to the fact that the show is about to go off the air (the last episode will air on September 23). The show has run from 1970 through 2011, making it one of the longest running shows in American television history. The fact that the show is being cancelled suggests that Pine Valley is unlikely to become more notable than it is now, but, on the other hand, if it already is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, being cancelled shouldn't change that status. I don't think this article establishes notability for the fictional town, given that it mostly consists of lists of the fictional events, people, businesses, and institutions associated with the town, but I will remain neutral for the time being to see if anyone can improve the article during the AfD period. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 21:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. This seems no less significant than Gotham City or Mega-City One. The article is certainly overstuffed with trivia, but that doesn't make the article's subject invalid.--Mike Selinker (talk) 21:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Both references are passing mentions not in-depth coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:22, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Spin-off articles such as this are perfectly allowed, per Writing about fiction. It's an article that harbors all the information about a fictional town, which can be thoroughly reliably sourced, as this better link to Google Books shows (searching for Pine Valley All My Children without the quotation marks or parentheses). I'm not about to scurry and source this article just to please anyone who has voted for its deletion, when it is clear from that link I just provided that this topic is notable. I'll just recreate it later, with plenty of sources, if I want. The show being cancelled, though it is set to re-launch on the Internet, has nothing to do with whether or not the topic is notable. Flyer22 (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.