Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinedale Shores, Alabama


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Pinedale Shores, Alabama

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This article does not appear to meet WP:NOTE. A Google search returns no results about this place. Most of the contributions to the article are by one IP address. Jorvik 20:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, possible hoax. I can't find anything on Google or on maps either. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 20:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, has been confirmed as a valid place per below. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 23:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Google maps has the commutity here. --Oakshade 22:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, don't think it's a hoax, but it doesn't belong either. Jauerback 21:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, wow, this page has change dramatically since I last viewed it. Jauerback 17:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, and the stuff about the FBI etc. investigations is arguably defamatory of anyone on the POA board. The USPS does not recognize "Pinedale Shores" as an address; it's all either part of Ashville or St. Clair County. The County held a referendum on home rule demanded by some residents including this area but the vote failed. I'm flexible on places if they are verifiable but this just seems like a subdivision/development with no particular notability. --Dhartung | Talk 21:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The USPS is not the best reference, as it sometimes lumps in three or four legal, incorporated communities under one ZIP code. The USGS is a better reference. (And the same thing could be said for Canada, incidentally: Canada Post does not have a post office in every community except in Ontario, so the Atlas of Canada is a better reference.) -- Charlene 00:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep "Pinedale Shores, Alabama" is recognized as a community on Google maps and Mapquest .  From the look of the maps it appears to be a contained continuous community that's not just a section of another.  We have much smaller "settlements" than this that are considered notable.  --Oakshade 22:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I've redone the article as a stub. It's a real place - at least the USGS thinks so (a WP:RS in these matters). As for the junk that was there previously, it was unsourced problematic, whatever, but real places get kept. Carlossuarez46 23:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * After doing some searching at USGS, there are 2 places with that name, the one I re-did and another I just created, so I re-did them both following city, county, state and re-did the article at issue here as a dab page for the other two. Still keep. Carlossuarez46 23:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Not that I have anything against either of the "Pinedale Shores" locations, nor the development of an article on either place-- but essentially, this is essentially an article that sqays that "Pinedale Shores, Alabama" can refer to two places in Alabama. The one in St. Clair County is the one that has a zip code, see (warning: I'm about to use the "L-word") List of places in Alabama: O-R.  I suspect the one in Marshall County may be little more than a dot on a map.  Mandsford 02:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The canonical title of US towns is City, State, so anyone looking for Pinedale Shores, Alabama would look to Pinedale Shores, Alabama; if one of the two is sufficiently more notable - I haven't really delved into whether or not one is - then perhaps it gets pride of place and with a dab tag line at the top pointing to the less notable one so if that's the one being sought it can be found easily. This is done with some regularity. If you are confident that the St. Clair county one belongs at what's now the dab, be WP:BOLD and revert my making it a dab page and add a x-ref to the Marshall county one. Carlossuarez46 02:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Response Thank you, but I'm not sure how to do that. In addition, I hate to tamper with another person's work unless it's poorly written, and in this case it's well-written.  I will note that not all locations on a map are considered to be significant communities.  There is a place in my home county that is listed as "Tacky Town" on several maps, but I have never known anyone who has ever known where it is.  I believe that anyone looking at a map of their home will be surprised to find places they've never heard of.  People tend to think of their community as the city and state that's on their mailing address.  Mandsford 12:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Understood, living in LA often your mailing address is not even an independent city - e.g., Reseda, CA 91335. Reseda is part of the city of Los Angeles even though its nearly an hour's drive from city hall. Carlossuarez46 16:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is a proper disambiguation page for the two places in Alabama, as long as those two articles exist in Wikipedia. However, if kept, the page should be moved to Pinedale Shores (drop Alabama), per standard practice for disambig pages. &#9679;DanMS • Talk 03:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Again, I think the best thing is to keep to the rule that if it can be shown to actually exists, then it gets an article. I do not think it builds the encyclopedia to argue about every small village. DGG (talk) 03:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 15:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a valid disambiguation page listing two stub articles about two real places. Aleta 16:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG. AfD's on populated places are pointless. Dhaluza 01:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This article was nominated for deletion based on its state here --Jorvik 09:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because of its state? What's wrong with Alabama? Mandsford 22:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, then it was an ill-advised nomination. The nominator should have simply edited the article instead. Dhaluza 10:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment That did matter at the nomination time, but now what matters is its current revision, not what it was at first. As it has changed drastically, I think that makes a big difference to this AfD.  Aleta 16:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak keep as even if is not a real big place, but a disambiguation of two other places. I would keep out hamlets and unincorporated villages.  Sorry, DGG. Bearian 23:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.