Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinelopi Tsilika


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. KaisaL (talk) 14:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Pinelopi Tsilika

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Contested PROD. Original reason was: Entirely unsourced. Only sources found about this actress are mere passing mentions. Fails WP:NACTOR. Reason still stands. Jalen Folf  (talk)  16:45, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Easily passes WP:NACTOR. Critically acclaimed actress.  Best Actress winner at Shanghai International Film Festival and two-time Hellenic Film Academy Awards (Greek equivalent to Academy Awards) Best Actress nominee.  Star of multiple major internationally released and award-winning films like Little England, The Interrogation and Kala azar. Has had very in-depth coverage which I (unsurprisingly) found in just a few seconds. Oakshade (talk) 16:56, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment – is the article's creator. As I'm not familiar enough with the Greek language or Greek cinema to perform WP:BEFORE, I'll refrain from voting, but I will say those sources are as follows: an interview, a self-authored article by Tsilika in Lifo, and an article that goes into some depth about the series "Silent Road" – which Tsilika stars in – but into scarce little detail about Tsilika herself.  TheTechnician27   (Talk page)  19:05, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying the one she wrote. Yes, I saw there's an actress with international acclaim and created an article about them. Interviews are in fact in-depth coverage by a secondary source - When a reliable source chooses to interview someone, it's because they are considered notable by the secondary source so they give interview coverage to them. There is even more coverage found including television coverage on the Greek Mega Channel.  I do coverage checks a lot in AfDs and honestly this is one of the most covered people I've found in years while investigating in an AfD. Oakshade (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. It's, like, three lines and an IMDb page as its only source. If she's the critically acclaimed actress Oakshade says she is, this information should be properly sourced and in the article. AdoTang (talk) 22:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not what any editor or I say, it's what reliable sources say. In this case we have an award-winning actress who has been the star of multiple award-winning films with a ton of GNG-passing coverage. Per WP:DEL-CONTENT, sources in the mainspace has nothing to do with the notability of the topic. Oakshade (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Weak Keep - she seems to have enough to pass criteria #1 of WP:NACTOR. Kolma8 (talk) 19:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * the article will need some work. Kolma8 (talk) 19:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep She won the Golden Goblet award and was the main star in the "Little England" movie, this would make her notable although most sources are in Greek, I can't judge them for quality. Oaktree b (talk) 14:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 05:07, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There are a ton of sources out there, passes WP:GNG and NACTOR. Article needs work, for sure. But that's not a rationale to delete, IMHO. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Hardly a stellar career, compared to other young and notable actors of a similar age. One series with 13episodes and rest bit parts. I'm not convinced of the award. It was the film that won, not the actor, which makes for an egregious entry in the article. Why put it it, particularly when the other nominations don't count? Compared to others she is entirely non-notable. Perhaps it is a case of WP:TOOSOON.    scope_creep Talk  10:36, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Scope_creep, how are the starring roles in two internationally acclaimed award-winning films "bit parts"? And how is the actress winning the Golden Goblet Award for Best Actress not the actress winning? Oakshade (talk) 19:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The film won the Golden Goblet, not her and its dishonest to say that she won it.  scope_creep Talk  19:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Scope_creep, it seems you're not actually reading the sourced Golden Goblet Award for Best Actress page. Look down at 2015.  Here is an English language source from The Hollywood Reporter which states "Pinelopi Tsilika added another Golden Goblet to Little England’s haul when she won the best actress award."   Do you know it to be a different actress to win the "Best Actress" that year?  If so, what is your source?  And to the other question you didn't answer, how are two leading roles in internationally acclaimed films "bit parts"?Oakshade (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at the Chinese source. The actor is non-notable. She has no career worth a fig at the moment. This is the last comment I'm making.   scope_creep Talk  20:08, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Scope_creep, if you're going to tell a non-truth and that's easily proven wrong and then accuse other editors of being dishonest, you're going to be called on it. Now all that's left of your parting comment is WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE whilst completely ignoring the reasons this person passes WP:NACTOR and GNG. Oakshade (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Your create a lot of these small stubs, e.g. Michalina Łabacz, which is the worst kind of article. Here is another Sadžida Šetić, the most woeful article I've ever seen. If your articles were more substantial, then the likelyhood of people contributing a more valid rationale at Afd would higher and you would have less trouble accepting it.    scope_creep Talk  20:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It is excellent work you do, apart from them and I hope the article stays.   scope_creep Talk  20:29, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , so your rationale to delete this article is you don't like other articles I've created and nothing to do with your false contention that this actor is not an award winner nor the star of at least two internationally acclaimed films. Oakshade (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)o intend to
 * No, absolutely not. Up until this Afd, which was on the WIR redlist, I hadn't seen any of your articles. However, it is not 2007 anymore. All articles are excepted to be well sourced when originally written, with at least three WP:SECONDARY sources that prove notability. There is simply no excuse. Droping in an IMDB external link is not acceptable any longer and hasn't been for more than a decade. Those ones which I proded, I'm sure by weeks end, will be well referenced.    scope_creep Talk  20:49, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * So what does your dislike of other articles I've written have to do with your false deletion rationale that this actor is not an award winner and has had only "bit parts" when in fact this actress was the star of at least two internationally acclaimed films? Oakshade (talk) 20:54, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.