Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinewood Elementary School (Mascouche, Quebec)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Sir Wilfrid Laurier School Board. as always Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Pinewood Elementary School (Mascouche, Quebec)

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Non-notable elementary school with no evidence of its presence in independent, reliable sources.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge any valid, referenced information to Mascouche, Quebec. Then redirect. Searched and didn't find significant coverage in reliable sources for the topic. However, some of the information sourced by primary sources would be useful to improve the Mascouche, Quebec article. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The article on "Pinewood Elementary School (Mascouche, Quebec)" is closely related to the "Sir Wilfrid Laurier School Board" (SWLSB) article, primarly because the school is governed by the latter school board, and also because the name of the school figures on the "SWLSB" article. Pinewood Elementary school makes up an integrant part of the city of Mascouche, Quebec. I am therefore in accordance to mention the school in the "Mascouche, Quebec" article, but I disagree with the complete deletion of the article on Pinewood Elementary School, which contains a significant amount of useful information.

Also, please note that, as the main author of the article in question, I have NOT completed the article. I will keep improving it, adding information, new sections, etc., over a short period of time. This means that even if the article seems to miss some facts or not follow Wikipedia's guidelines properly (which I doubt), it is O.K. becuase everything will be fixed in the weeks to come.

For any personal messages, please write back on my talk page. Thank you. --MaxAMSC (talk) 03:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It should also be noted that the Pinewood Elementary School article in question is closely related to the existing article named Rosemere High School, which is also part of the Sir Wilfrid Laurier School Board.--MaxAMSC (talk) 03:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * High schools are considered notable due to the typical coverage they receive, but elementary schools are not. Of course, if you can prove that this article passes WP:GNG, that would be a different story.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Why aren't elementary schools notable? Many receive "coverage." --MaxAMSC (talk) 22:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, they don't, as evidenced by this one.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:38, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to school board, Sir Wilfrid Laurier School Board, as common practice for non-notable schools. The school lacks non-trivial coverage by reliable sources. • Gene93k (talk) 16:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Gene. If the article creator has evidence that this school satisfies the GNG, I'm sure we'd be pleased to see it; otherwise, there's no presumptive notability for elementary schools.  Ravenswing  00:25, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Tell me exactly what I must prove, and I will try to present evidence. --MaxAMSC (talk) 01:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to point out something important. By typing "Pinewood Elementary School (Mascouche, Quebec)" in a search engine, such as Google, it is normal that very few, if any, results show up because the school is not known under that exact name. If you write something like "Pinewood Elementary School Sir Wilfrid Laurier School Board" or "Pinewood Elementary School SWLSB," many results come up. The "Mascouche, Quebec" segment was added because another article already had the name "Pinewood Elementary School."

Now, what I propose is as follows: we leave the article "Pinewood Elementary School (Mascouche, Quebec)" posted on Wikipedia for a little while (I will therefore have some time to ameliorate it with the help of anybody willing to aid me) and this page remains (so other contributors can write their opinions about the article).

--MaxAMSC (talk) 01:18, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The searches you give yield hits, but very few of them are WP:RELIABLE. The reliable ones like cbc.ca are only passing mentions (trivial coverage). Directory listings and routine coverage also don't count towards notability. I tried wider searches and couldn't find non-trivial coverage by reliable sources. • Gene93k (talk) 02:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I've searched among all the main databases of reliable sources and could not find any reference to this school. The only references I found to a "Pinewood Elementary School" were schools of the same name in Surrey, BC and New York City. I appreciate that MaxAMSC may have some personal attachment to the school and wants to keep this article for sentimental reasons, but it seems appropriate to me to do as previously suggested and merge this into "Sir Wilfrid Laurier School Board" and/or "Mascouche, Quebec" -- JmaJeremy talk contribs 05:54, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Sir Wilfrid Laurier School Board. Normal practice for non-notable schools is to redirect to the Board that manages them.  PK  T (alk)  13:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Try searching for a Pinewood Elementary School in QUEBEC, or a Holy Rosary Elementary School or Lewis King Elementary School that have merged... I found plenty of results from reliable sources like CBC, Le journal de montréal, Le revue, Le trait d'union, etc. --MaxAMSC (talk) 23:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have some reliable sources, then why not cite them in the article? — JmaJeremy  talk contribs  01:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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