Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pingus (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 11:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Pingus
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With only five secondary sources and scarce coverage on Google and Archive.org, this article about a Lemmings clone seems doomed to remain being a permastub. While the sources demonstrate that the subject is notable for niche audiences such as the ones interested in FOSS and Linux gaming, it does not appear to be quite as notable enough for a general encyclopedia as even Tux Racer, despite the former's featuring penguins (Tux, is that you?). It will probably bear the same fate as the PySol article, with which I had recently dealt.  Free Media  Kid!  09:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  Free  Media  Kid!  09:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete The bar to entry is a bit higher than in 2003 and this article appears to fail WP:GNG in its current state. "Only 5 secondary sources" would normally still make it notable enough but the majority of them are listicles.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - After reading a couple of the sources, I am struck with "why would Wikipedians want to delete a serviceable stubby article about a video game that achieved Top 10 Linux games status according to CNN?" What harm is befalling our knowledge community by retaining this article? - AppleBsTime (talk) 14:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As explained by WP:HARMLESS, As for articles that do not conform to our basic tenets (verifiability, notability, and using reliable sources), keeping them actually can do more harm than one realizes – it sets a precedent that dictates that literally anything can go here. Appearing in a few "top 10" lists does not strike me as "significant coverage", and as a mere video game clone I wouldn't expect it to.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * CNN strikes me as significant. - AppleBsTime (talk) 20:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not actually written by someone from CNN, it was copied there from "LinuxWorld" and clearly states "not endorsed by CNN". Even then, it's just a short paragraph about the game.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Regardless, I don't believe that this particular article sets a precedent for "literally anything" appearing in Wikipedia. I recognize that as a slippery slope fallacy, which I reject.  Anyway, let's see how this turns out.  Neither of our lives will be substantially impacted by either outcome. - AppleBsTime (talk) 13:28, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep At least one solid article in Linux Journal: (note only half of the article is about Pingus). I found also 3 medium-size articles in Czech and German media:  (pro-linux.de; site claims to have an editorial staff, but may be close to a blog),  (root.cz; seems to be a RS),  (idnes.cz; major Czech news site). MorphOS version was reviewed in Amiga Future 107 (p. 17; full page review). I expect even broader coverage in other Linux-related media (eg. a short article should be in Linux Format 153, January 2012). Enough to satisfy GNG. Pavlor (talk) 18:22, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: The Linux For You source cited in the article is a full review from a published magazine. The Linux Journal source that Pavlor found is also detailed coverage from a magazine. This passes GNG. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Was listed as game of the month in a prominent gaming mag, so sketchy sources probably sufficient. Prussian-Hussar (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.