Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinhas Kopel


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The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 06:09, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Pinhas Kopel

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Non-notable per WP:BIO. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: He has an entry in Tidhar's Encyclopedia of the Founders and Builders of Israel, for whatever that's worth. (Credit: Hebrew Wikipedia) הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 20:22, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. הסרפד  (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 14:48, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:41, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep: He was the Inspector General (a.k.a. Commissioner) of the Israel Police, which, in Israel, is the highest-ranking police officer; he held that position for about eight years. Probably notable, though the encyclopedia entry I linked (admittedly written shortly after his appointment) does not make it seem so. הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 03:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think being the highest-ranking police officer is in itself notable enough for WP. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:25, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. The highest ranking police officer in a country of this size and geopolitical importance is obviously a suitable topic for an encyclopedia article, per the basic common sense that seems to be lacking in this nomination. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Common sense tells us incorrectly that the sun rises in the east, that cycle helmets make cycling safe, and that water with a dirty colour is unsafe. Researching the topic, rather than using common sense, tells me that there is nothing to suggest that the topic meets WP:BIO, especially with 391 ghits. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:38, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * And what sort of sense, common or otherwise, tells you that Google hits in the Latin alphabet are a valid metric for measuring the notability of someone who retired nearly twenty years before the World Wide Web was invented and who is from a country whose national language is written in a different script? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * So how do we establish notability in the English language Wikipedia when there is next to no English language refs? Anyway, if he was truly notable there would be a far greater number of English lang refs. Does that sound sensible? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:57, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: For a somewhat analogous precedent, see Articles for deletion/Chaudhry Yaqoob. הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 23:31, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In-depth coverage in news articles, found with jpress.org.il (in reverse order, as I filter out the significant mentions from 200-odd results):
 * As president of the football association: Davar, October 2, 1973 (p. 10) "קופל יתפטר אם "מודיעין אזרחי" יציע עצמו למכרז".
 * As a candidate for the mayoralty of Ramat Gan: Davar, February 7, 1973 (p. 3) "קופל עשוי "לרוץ" לראשות רמת גן".
 * As ex-commissioner (an interview): Davar, September 15, 1972 (pp. 13–14) "פנחס קופל האזרח על המשטרה, תדמיתה וצרכיה".
 * (As head of the "Kopel Commission" (not quite as in-depth): Davar, September 20, 1972 (p. 3) "עדים ראשונים הופיעו לפני ועדת קופל".)
 * As outgoing commissioner: Davar, July 17, 1972 (p. 7) "עם פרישתו של קופל".
 * (Skipping many mentions in his eight years of being commissioner—it is much to difficult to select the significant mentions, but I noticed quite a few articles where a quote from Kopel is part of the headline.)
 * As incoming commissioner:
 * Maariv (newspaper), May 25, 1964 (p. 2) "מהגה האוטובוס - לצמרת המשטרה"—includes much biographical information.
 * Davar, June 29, 1964 (p. 3) "זכרונותיו של מפקד "הכומתות הירוקות""—includes much biographical information.
 * Davar, June 1, 1964 (pp. 1, 2) (two articles).
 * (Earlier mentions of Kopel are not particularly significant; there are passing mentions of him as an officer of the Israel Border Police.)
 * הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 02:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Davar, June 29, 1964 (p. 3) "זכרונותיו של מפקד "הכומתות הירוקות""—includes much biographical information.
 * Davar, June 1, 1964 (pp. 1, 2) (two articles).
 * (Earlier mentions of Kopel are not particularly significant; there are passing mentions of him as an officer of the Israel Border Police.)
 * הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 02:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * In-depth coverage (continued, adding search results skipped previously due to OCR idiosyncrasies):
 * On his appointment to the office of commissioner-general: Davar, May 25, 1964 (pp. 1–2) "ניצב פ. קופל מונה מפכ"ל".
 * On his ascent to office: Maariv, June 3, 1964 (p. 3) "היום הראשון של המפכ"ל החדש".
 * On his appointment to the presidency of the football association: Davar, October 23, 1972 (p. 12) "קופל: מגמתי להפוך את הכדורגל לענף ספורט שאפשר להתגאות בו".
 * I think that's enough, no? הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 03:00, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Quite enough sources. Anyone in this office is notable, and there is enough evidence under GNG in any case.  DGG ( talk ) 01:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've finished retranslating it now; the indication of notability is a lot clearer now. הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 04:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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