Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pino Concialdi (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Disregarding the socks, per ThatMontrealIP's comment.  Sandstein  10:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Pino Concialdi
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Nothing has changed since the last AFD other than his death. He is still not notable and there is no evidence to support inclusion of this article. Praxidicae (talk) 16:12, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:07, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - he is in the collection of the Museum Bagheria in Italy ; and was in a show (it's not clear if it's from the collection, or just part of a collection of works shown) at the Museo del Arte Mediterraneo . He's in the journal Arte Moderna, Issue 33, page 108 (but just seeing a snippet view). That is probably not enough to establish notability - it would be nice if a native-Italian speaking editor could do some research. The Italian WP has quite a few more citations the enWP. Netherzone (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Where do you see this on itwp? its salted there. Praxidicae (talk) 17:38, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake - it's on French WP here:
 * Comment In line with what Netherzone is saying above, there is a strong hint of notability. The French Wikipedia page has a couple decent sources (and several bad ones), and mentions a museum collection.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:51, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The sources on frwp are not good. Alchetron, for example is completely unreliable. The rest are blogs and links that are already here. This has been a several year long campaign by meatpuppets on several projects (including itwiki where it's been repeatedly evaluated and found every time, even as recently as January 2019, not to be notable.) I would say we should trust the judgement of native Italian speakers. Praxidicae (talk) 17:56, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, as I said, there were several bad ones. But the first two look like low level news articles that are independent. There is a hint of notability.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:59, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * One of the citations on frWP is actually a press release that I had mistaken for an article. It's looking somewhat doubtful unless better sources can be found. Netherzone (talk) 18:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:46, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:46, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment leaning towards Delete: We have typically required inclusion in two or more notable museum collections; Museum Bagheria is a private museum founded by an art dealer, and does not have a en wiki page. For me, it is not enough alone to establish NARTIST. That said, I do want to have someone with Italian language skills to do a proper WP:BEFORE. --Theredproject (talk) 18:20, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —  Newslinger  talk   22:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The museum  has an article in itWP: it: Museum - Osservatorio dell'arte in Sicilia. Checking the other  artists it has listed there, most of them have long established articles in the enWP :Ferdinando Scianna, Giuseppe Tornatore,  Fosco Maraini,  or in the deWP de:Nino Franchina, Salvatore Scarpitta. I conclude it's a very important regional museum, and its enough to turn the balance.  DGG ( talk ) 02:11, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I'll go with DGG's reasoning. The museum's IT WP page says it was founded in 1927. if they can keep things going for 90 years, they are doing something right. The notability overall here is a bit weak, but it is there.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:10, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Artist recognized and appreciated at provincial and regional level, criticized and honored in Sicily, with a definitely unique and interesting pictorial style reminiscent of American expressionists, but still certainly far from the criteria of national or international relevance that you need to have to appear on wikipedia --c (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)— has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:47, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment so far all of the solid delete !votes here are by accounts or IPs with less than five edits.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:08, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Two Three sets of !votes by socks have been removed per the results of this SPIThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:16, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete having only one work in a museum at a regional level where there are works by other important artists does not, however, confer notability on an evidently lesser artist, as in this case it is Concialdi. I would like to remind you that Giuseppe Tornatore (Oscar-winning director) and Ferdinando Scianna (photographer) are international figures, who have distinguished themselves in their fields, all proven by third party and reliable sources. It is clearly evident that Concialdi is not comparable to these two.--5.171.192.18 (talk) 11:16, 30 December 2019 (UTC)— has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:47, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Mr. Sockpuppet IP, is this a family operation, or have you asked the neighbours to vote? You are (5.171.192.18 and your friend above is 5.171.192.176).ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - although page needs to be improved. They are in collections and enough coverage to convince me that it's a weak keep. Netherzone (talk) 19:09, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Netherzone here.NotButtigieg (talk) 14:08, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per . We tend to keep those artist's articles whose work is in major collections. Bearian (talk) 00:12, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Third party sources that certify that his work is in museum collections of national or international importance have not been received. Relevance is only local. I absolutely don't understand its importance--5.171.252.222 (talk) 22:46, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: It's amazing to see such great participation from all the delete vote IPs on the 5.171.*.* Telecom Italia Mobile network! Thank you to
 * 5.171.192.176,
 * 5.171.252.222 and
 * 5.171.192.18!
 * Now, since no good faith users have actually voted delete, I think this could be closed. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:07, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.