Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinocchio in popular culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Pinocchio in popular culture

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Nothing but a list of almost entirely unsourced trivia, listing nothing else than appearances and references to him in every medium with no connecting thread. Oddly, some of the maintenance tags predate the article, but there's no evidence of it ever having been deleted before. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep A very notable fictional figure's appearance in a notable work in any media is worth an entry in a list or a combination article. Otherwise we'll be here all year arguing about just which appearances and figures meet some unspecified criteria, and soon deal with the people who think that all  "in popular culture" sections or articles or lists are wrong, ultimately deriving from the reason that nothing in popular culture is possibly worth covering in an encyclopedia. This isn't actually a prediction, because that's the stage we were at a year or so ago, before common sense returned. Most of this needs documentation, but that's easy enough, though time consuming. That something appeared in a role in a film or whatever can be sourced from primary sources.  DGG (talk) 02:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or move back to Pinocchio (which explains the tag) It appears to be a somewhat premature spin off article. The entries could even be put on the relevant talk page until referenced. I oppose the idea that it is trivia. Pinnochio is a significant figure in western film and literature and it's effect on other works of fiction needs to be covered. - Mgm|(talk) 09:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is a clear need to discuss the obviously widespread influence this character has had in popular culture.  Article should be fixed by editing, perhaps by trimming to only those references to pinocchio that have been mentioned in third party sources (e.g. appearance in Shrek as discussed here).  See also this article discussing Pinocchio's appearances in stories beyond the original one. JulesH (talk)
 * Keep. I don't see it as trivia, as trivia is a collection of random and unrelated facts. Pinocchio is a notable figure in film and literature with wide-ranging cultural equity, so this list is viable. Needs better sourcing, etc., though remember "verifiability not truth" is a mantra here, so if there's a reference in Family Guy and if this reference can be verified by viewing the episode in question, then that is fair game for an entertainment-related topic. Where a reference is open to interpretation, that's when third party sources are needed, or the item should be removed from the list. 23skidoo (talk) 13:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I won't cry if it's kept, but this is the run-of-the-mill i.p.c. article. In this case, it's about random sightings of Pinocchio.  The only thing missing is the dirty joke about why Cinderella and Pinocchio were kicked out of the Magic Kingdom (the punchline, of course is "More lies! Ooohhh! Tell me lies!") Mandsford (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was always told it was Snow White... Sceptre (talk) 17:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you're right, although she's also in the joke where Prince Charming tells the lawyer, "I didn't say that I wanted a divorce because she was stupid, I said that she was "_____ing Dopey"! Mandsford (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, I was told it with Mickey, Minnie, and Goofy. Sceptre (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 0 for 2. Okay, on the hard-of-hearing genie, how tall was the piano player? Mandsford (talk) 20:01, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep IPC articles are a useful and sensible spin-out of a significant article liek Pinocchio. Sourcing is perhaps a little dubious/primary, but no great sin, it's all verifiable, which is key. Wily D  14:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, it needs work, but an article on a notable subject needing work is not one that should be deleted. SMSpivey (talk) 03:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve - WP:SUMMARY and it is trivial to find sources. Article sucks but not reason to delete, and incorporation into parent article would be clutter.--Cerejota (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete I removed a lot of long-time unsourced claims and obvious cameo appearances without impact of either Pinocchio or the work he cameo-appeared in. What's now left is an attempt to make a half-decent article out of this, but it's still pretty bad, so I wouldn't mind deletion. – sgeureka t•c 15:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Previous edition before last revision: . --J.Mundo (talk) 15:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.