Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pioneer One


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus (which defaults to keep). Even if I completely disregarded all commentary from all single-purpose accounts (and similarly those with arguments to avoid), I am not seeing any rough consensus for deletion purely amongst registered and established users. –MuZemike 01:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Pioneer One

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There is no evidence of notability. The article cites no sources except for a site where the film is available for download. Web searches have likewise produced a few download sites, facebook, linkedin, a forum post etc, but nothing that could be regarded as a reliable independent source. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If you really want to delete it please watch it yourself first before deleting —Preceding unsigned comment added by General Staal (talk • contribs) 16:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to comment that simply watching a certain film does not make it notable, although I'd probably wait a little bit before nominating it for deletion before it even has a chance. Tavix | Talk  17:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- Tavix |  Talk  17:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Seen multiple mentions of it on the web - piratebay.org, slashdot (on their newsletter too), Downloadsquad. It's the first of it's kind, and I actually came to wikipedia to read what it's about. I'm sure there's more like me who want some neutral reference page as-to what this show is. --24.36.97.44 (talk) 06:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this film. Joe Chill (talk) 18:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: When I search the web I find several articles about it. Plus, the principle of torrent-based distribution is some kind of a "premiere" for a TV serie, and this is IMO a sufficient reason for a wiki article... Bornerdogge (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep: This is the first movie made for distribution over torrents. This is notable in itself. A previous artist, The Future Sounds of London, did a similar notable project when they released their ISDN album over ISDN (rather than via CD).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.191.166.192 (talk) 19:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * First TV show released over BitTorrent, not first movie. The first movie released entirely over BitTorrent would probably be The Lionshare. 24.247.162.139 (talk) 23:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: It's laudable and interesting to have a torrent-based tv show, but it doesn't seem to have racked up much public interest, so until it does, I'd say delete. The individual artistic merits of the show should be irrelevent to Wikipedia policy, only it's cultural impact is important. Otherwise Wikipedia is being used as an advertising medium for generating interest where there currently isn't any. Gymnophoria (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I just want to say that I created this article only after watching the show. I am not affiliated with the project. Also, you can not prevent Wikipedia generating interest for the subjects of its articles. And I don't see why you have this strict rule anyways. According to this logic you would delete Van Gogh's entry if he lived today.General Staal (talk) 22:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: As a fan of the project (haven't watched it yet, but am currently downloading it), I do think it's notable in that it's the first TV series released purely through Bittorrent channels (that I can find, at least). But I recognize that it hasn't had much attention outside of the Bittorrent community (Torrentfreak, VODO, etc.) and no one knows yet how well it will be received, so I'm not sure if its "historical moment" notability is enough to keep it. (former Wikipedian here, so I know the policies) But I'm leaning more toward keep. I did a little work on the article and tried to find some more references/links, if that's any help. 24.247.162.139 (talk) 23:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing to Keep: after reading some of the arguments here, as well as seeing the continued and growing response to it this morning, I'm changing to keep. At this point, I definitely think the article has been adequately sourced to keep it. Fletch the Mighty (talk) 13:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Further clarification, and a request that everyone stop saying "Keep because I like it", because that is a worthless argument on Wikipedia: I've just been looking at the page as it was when it was nominated, and the page as it is now. It's definitely come a long way from one rather poor reference and a synopsis ripped from the official site to a more in-depth article with eight references. At this point, I don't think the question is whether or not it's verifiable or adequately sourced, it's about whether it's WP:NN. So two things: first of all, all the single-purpose accounts here need to realize that this is not about whether or not the show is good. Second, I think we can dispense with the lingering questions of verifiability. Pioneer One exists, lots of people downloaded it, and lots of people liked it. The only question I see remaining is, is that enough for notability? I believe it is. Fletch the Mighty (talk) 04:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question: (from 24.247.162.139; I finally gave up and just made an account per WP:CLEANSTART. If I'm going to keep editing like I am, I might as well have an account...) I don't remember this ever coming up before, but is TorrentFreak considered a reliable source? Pioneer One has been mentioned extensively there. It's also been promoted by VODO, which although releasing the pilot, isn't actually connected to the creation of Pioneer One. Fletch the Mighty (talk) 01:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: It is now available for direct download and streaming on several sites (the sites are listed on SideReel.com), and while I had already heard of the title, the ONLY place I could find any useful information about the project itself was on Wikipedia. Also, the first two minutes of the film is a promo encouraging the creation of similar projects for free distribution (via the competition on mofilm.com), in case that is a good reason to keep it listed here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.152.143 (talk) 02:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not necessarily reason enough to keep the article, though. Wikipedia's not for promotion of anything, even good things like freely distributed projects, and it's not supposed to be the only source of anything. It's an encyclopedia and thus a tertiary source, meaning it relies purely on outside information, not a secondary source that reports on something. We need to find more outside sources talking about Pioneer One for the article to be adequately sourced. Fletch the Mighty (talk) 02:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * if deleted redirect to the spaceprobe Pioneer 1 70.29.212.131 (talk) 04:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: I saw this film mentioned elsewhere and then immediately went to Wikipedia to look it up (as I do whenever I hear about about a film that sounds interesting). I don't see how this is any different to Wikipedia having entries for mainstream studio films before they have actually been released and become culturally important. The only difference is that there is an established promotional infrastructure which can be exploited by mainstream studios to make sure any film they release is 'notable'. I would say that the novel distribution method and connected aims (first 'TV show' distributed via BitTorrent) make it notable by definition. Dr.Jamf (talk) 08:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep: At the very least give it some time for mainstream media to pick up the story. I think this is a fairly notable source: examiner.com/x-36170-Binghamton-Frugal-Living-Examiner~y2010m6d16-Free-television-Download-the-Pioneer-One-pilot-from-VODO. Also, I'm willing to bet there are other shows on Wikipedia with less than 450,000 viewers that are considered notable. Spikeman (talk) 10:22, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep:It's a little outrageous to submit this article for deletion on grounds it lacks "sufficient public interest in the show" the very same day the article is created and literally days after the show was released. Maybe in a few months it could have been legitimate. Now with the show being advertised on the front page of thepiratebay.org it's certain this article will see lots of traffic. It also has the novelty of being the first series to ever attempt distributing just on torrents. That alone is enough to justify an article. The implication that this deletion submission was malicious or had ulterior motives wouldn't be unfounded. (I made the same comment in the discussion page)122.17.159.71 (talk) 11:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep:Gray from GeekChique.org here: I would say it's notability is likely to rise now that it is the big image on the front of the Pirate Bay. Given that it is a brand new release, I would also suggest that comments about it not being big news may be because it hasn't had enough time to hit BBC, CNN, etc. 159.15.67.78 (talk) 11:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete "not being big news may be because it hasn't had enough time to hit BBC, CNN, etc." Please see WP:CRYSTAL. Note to new and anon posters: This is not a vote by numbers. You may support the article, but you must give good reasons - good by the standards of Wikipedia policy - for this. Liking it or it having a potential for notability are not good reasons. Yes, we would possibly delete Van Gogh's article unless sufficient notability had been shown - and he had more during his lifetime than is commonly assumed. This is an encyclopaedia, not a TV guide or a news review. "The implication that this deletion submission was malicious or had ulterior motives wouldn't be unfounded" - from what I know of the work here of the nominator, I would say definitely unfounded. The episode is a pilot. Pilots may become notable when the series takes off or for the presence of notable people/production/direction. Is the first thing released on DVD notable enough to have an article purely on that ground? (Substitute CD, VHS, whatever.) Peridon (talk) 13:18, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as not notable and promotional. GregJackP (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * reply where is the article promotional ? I'd l ike to fix it-Tavin (talk) — Tavin (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep the show have been featured on the homepage of several important websites like thepiratebay.org (Alexa's 100), eztv.it, etc. Faustop (talk) 14:31, 18 June 2010 (UTC) — Faustop (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * also it is been featured on utorrent.com (most popular bittorrent client in the world), and apparently is downloaded automatically when you install the software. (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

-Tavin (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2010 (UTC) — Tavin (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep
 * the show is not even a week old, it takes e.g. newspapers some time to find the story write about it and print it.
 * it's a new concept and for that reson a pioneer on that field, for that reson of encyclopedial interest
 * That is a good reason for deletion.... Peridon (talk) 20:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * delete and recreate as soon as mainstream covers it is the wikipedia policy? If so, where can I look that up? -Tavin (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC) — Tavin (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. Seems like it'll be a pretty big deal very soon and the article is good. I don't see why it should be deleted now only to be remade in a few days or weeks. User:General_Staal is just a fan who saw the show and created an article for it. If this is deleted it'll just be remade again by the next fan who sees the show has no article. I for one would definitely write it. Torrent Freak also wrote a good article on it, I'd suggest reading it before casting a vote. 187.39.75.70 (talk) 15:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you really don't see why, read WP:CRYSTAL. I wish the creator of the show luck, and would have no objection to re-creation of the article - when/if the show is a success. Till then, we can't just have an article for every maybe or wannabe. Peridon (talk) 16:21, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How do you determine "success"? And more importantly, who have the power to do so? We already do have articles on most TV shows and films, how is this one different? There is no "no independent founding" policy, so far. Agent L (talk) 12:33, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Definitely keep, tv show as any other + notability it's being funded online. toxygen (talk)


 * Keep The torrent of the first episode has more than 9000 seeders by now. Isin't this enough notability? Jogundas Armaitis (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep this pilot episode is now widely available through multiple channels, and it appears to have reached tens of thousands of watchers. It is interesting to have it inside Wikipedia because it constitutes one of the early examples of crowd-financed fiction media, and because it was one of the first (if not the first) to go directly for BitTorrent distribution as the prime channel. It can (and will) be seen as an example of a new way to produce content - of course we don't know how successful the whole idea we will be, so we don't know if Pioneer One is like the first CD ever made (of billions) or rather like the first (of very few) ground effect vehicle. At the same time, if we can have a page for Larry Walters, I think we can afford a page about PioneerOne -- baffo —Preceding undated comment added 18:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC).


 * Keep but rewrite and change angle. Or *Delete and wait. This works much better as "Pioneer One _was_/_is_ an attempt to make a (television series) using a free-to-torrent model instead of distributing through traditional channels." It is noteable for its experimental distribution process - this should be the angle of the entry. Remove all marketing lingo. That is all. But if you view it as one of many tries for the same goal; it is not noteable at all.84.211.53.251 (talk) 11:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep This is an early/the first significant torrent only distribution of a professionally produced series (jobbing actors as opposed to amateurs). Due to the fact that uTorrent and Pirate Bay are pushing the download (uTorrent making it part of their setup routine) is it likely that this pilot will be remembered as either "the first successful" or "an early attempt" at distribution of a professionally produced TV series exclusively via Torrent.  If the laudable fan production Star Trek - Hidden Frontier can have a page, surely Pioneer One can.  The article is to the point and informative without being overly promotional.  Isn't one of the virtues of Wikipedia, that newly emerging subjects can be covered quickly?  If the article is accurate, on a subject that is at least emerging as notable, why should it be deleted?  In full disclosure, I know one of the actors appearing, but that is not the reason for this post.  Like many people with actor friends, I though of it as just another project he's got himself tied up with...  I was driven to look up the article and then visit this discussion, when the uTorrent install on my new Netbook prompted me to download the episode.  The joy of Wikipedia is being able to do just that.  Given that many people will see this series marketed elsewhere on the web and come to Wikipeida for information, getting the response "There were no results matching the query" on Wikipedia would be unfortunate. In my opinion: accurate + emerging as notable + early example of type = usefull and keep Johnrb (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2010 (UTC) JohnRB — Johnrb (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep. Not for it being a low-funds TV series, as it is not exceptional in that respect, but for its attempt at being successful through Torrent distribution. This notability is also mentioned prominently in the article, but if it's not pointed out enough, it could be improved rather than deleted. The main reason for its notability is that we see a huge effort on the side of traditional media distribution groups against P2P networking as a concept. They essentially argue that P2P is different by not being tightly controllable and therefore it must be objectionable. Making an active effort to legally distribute media content via P2P is much more a political statement for the legitimacy of P2P as a cultural phenomenon than it is a way to keep distribution cost low. Compare this to other attempts at making a (mini-) series popular on the Internet (Dr. Horrible, for example) that while being free-as-in-beer (initially) did not use P2P technology (or any free-as-in-speech distribution channel), and you'll see how radically different Pioneer One is in that respect. And that, regardless of the story or audience reception of the actual content. --elwood_j_blues (talk) 16:32, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I came to Wikipedia looking for more information on this series. If it were not here on Wikipedia, I would likely not have any other immediate sources or information on the series. And, seeing as how the series is a first as in being completely funded only by donations to then be only distributed on torrent networks, I think it's noteworthy. There's plenty of other shows and series that have wiki pages that very few people have heard of, let alone seen. So I don't think deletion due to notability is in keeping with fairness. Also, plenty of new TV shows get their Wikipedia pages before they've even aired an episode - how are they not considered promotional, yet some claim this is? Again, fairness. 64.138.208.92 (talk) 17:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. I'm all for this show, and it will probably be a big deal in a month or more, but it's not notable at this time. The only news results I can find (the likeliest sources of info on something new like this) are blogs, which are not valid sources. --&#91;TINC&#93;-- (talk) 22:55, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Through Google News, I found two news articles covering the show: and ; both sources seem credible. The show is new but it is getting coverage. Hom sepanta (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. As if every song or every movie on wikipedia is notable. The sponsored distribution system is a first, and hopefully an example. --Cobbaut (talk) 22:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep what is becoming a popular show (looking at the torrent file). Coverage has been appearing in a few places: NewTeeVee, Geekosystem, TorrentFreak. Akirn (talk) 22:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

keepDon't be dicks and delete this. I'm downloading this now after seeing it on the front page of Slashdot. It only just came out and I came here to see what it's about. This is far more notable than articles I see on Wikipedia about a school with 200 pupils (hint: this film has more seeders alone) or random character from random show X. Wikipedia shouldn't rely on mainstream media for popularity- this is popular among people and internet news sites/blogs already. Genjix (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. I don't know if this has enough coverage, but I think we should give it some time in any case. --a3_nm (talk) 23:27, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. There are definitely enough reliable sources to be verifiable. --Gyrobo (talk) 00:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Sci-Fi Thriller Series Pioneer One Debuts… For Torrents!  --24.5.136.42 (talk) 00:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. As mentioned, this series has been noted on several prominent torrent sites, which demonstrates it is getting traction in it's novel approach to distribution. I'm also including a link to more coverage of Pioneer One.


 * Snowball Keep: I would argue that the appearance of an article dedicated to this series on Slashdot is evidence of notability; that's what brought me to the Wikipedia article and this page. The article was created on 17 June 2010 and proposed for deletion on the same day, which is unnecessarily short. A search on Google for "Pioneer One" on 20 June produced 147000 hits (which I would argue is not "a few").  I also concur with the comments of other posters on this thread;  the fact that it is or claims to be the first for-torrent TV production implies inherent notability.  It may be lacking references but I imagine there are a large number of other Wikipedia articles which are in the same state; that alone is not an inherent reason for deletion.Vulcan&#39;s Forge (talk) 03:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Pioneer One is already notable. No, it is not a blockbuster in terms of notability (Avatar anyone?) but the growing list of references on the article itself, the large number of result for "Pioneer One pilot" on Google (add to this that Pioneer One was released a short while ago - five days at the time of this writing) and the fact that is a first in regards of the distribution method (this argument was mentioned already before) warrants a strong keep vote from me. Also, making a good film with $7000 from donations is notable too. kkmic (talk) 08:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: It's a new film, made by the same group of people who made lionshare, which merited an article of it's own on Wiki, and no one is complaining about that one. So either start making arguments about why the other film should not be notable, or accept that the second film by people who have already *earned* notability from this site is going to be at least as notable. 99.233.232.67 (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - if it is notable per Wikipedia standards, where are the independent references from verifiable and reliable sources? The ones listed in the article are neither.  As to The Lionshare, see WP:OTHERSTUFF - and that film does not appear to be notable either, so I've submitted it for a 2nd AfD.  GregJackP (talk) 16:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The sources used in the article are reliable, from reputable news agencies such as NewTeeVee and Geekosystem, and organizations like TorrentFreak. --Gyrobo (talk) 17:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * All of which are blogs, and not from news agencies. See WP:SPS - they are not reliable. GregJackP (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Being a blog does not automatically disqualify a source as unreliable. --Gyrobo (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a good point. Especially in the case of TorrentFreak, which, although published in blog format, is a news blog well-known for reporting on Bittorrent and Internet piracy topics. Fletch the Mighty (talk) 02:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: I think it's a keep as even though it might not have had a lot to say, why shouldn't it be on wikipedia? Or why should any movie other than the groundbreaking ones be on wikipedia? It just seems stupid to delete it because it lacks sources the first day it's up on wikipedia... there's pages with far higher importance with near to or no sources at all. Thor erik ( talk 17:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: I don't understand the "notability" argument. There are lots of TV shows in Wikipedia that haven't even been broadcasted and many others that have just made their debut. If "Pioneer One" isn't notable, then many other TV shows should be deleted too. This is a revolutionary show, only if because it was produced purely with donations. So what's the deal? A TV show is notable only if a TV channel produces and promotes it? I really can't comprehend the narrow-mindness in this approach. Dfisek ( talk 18:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: As others have mentioned, this distribution of this project is inherently notable, and it's certainly of a greater cultural import than, say, St. Olaf Township. 99.199.104.75 (talk) 09:05, 21 June 2010 (UTC)Louist


 * Keep: I think that it is defiantly significant enough to be kept, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and in theory any television program produced and shown to a significant audience has merit to at least have 1 entry. Considering this is A. Sigificant for it's distrubitution model and B. It's production finance method and independent merits as a series. I believe the article should stay. Jamesnd (talk) 07:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: From Notability: "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or popularity—although those may enhance the acceptability of a subject". Visit the popular Pirate Bay. The advertisement placed in the center is quite notable there. :) Every day people like me come to this article hoping to get some unbiased information on the subject. That's what wiki is for. The reliable sources will follow even if there are none at the moment. DoomMaster (talk) 08:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC) — DoomMaster (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Exactly what I was going to write. I came here to learn more about the show, deleting the article defies purpose of Wikipedia to me. Agent L (talk) 12:33, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep: The existing sources seem a little weak in establishing notability. However, as a heuristic, the quality of the first episode is really high (a notch below U.S. prime time shows) so there'll quite likely be more coverage coming.  IOW, since this is bigger than most indy film projects, it'll probably be possible to establish enough notability if we give it a little time to wait for more news coverage. -- 87.143.159.98 (talk) 09:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Enough news coverage, if low key (ex. ). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 11:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Sufficient coverage and notability. Most likely this argument helped with that, but as it stands, it is notable enough.Tumble-Weed 02:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tumble-Weed (talk • contribs)


 * Weak keep. It does have sources, though they aren't top-tier. However, it's likely to have better sources available in the near term; to echo Jamesnd above, it is just likely to end up being seen as Important, because of the independent production and distribution model. — Gavia immer (talk) 02:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's notable enough, and I'm confident the article will be much better in a few weeks as the news reports start. Besides notability for a TV show is quite relative. Villy (talk) 17:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Sources include creators website and publishers. Just because it has not been on TV, and second quoted on IMDB does not make this less credible than other TV Shows. Ridiculous suggestion. --78.105.115.195 (talk) 19:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The flood of new single purpose accounts rushing in to vote for keeping, along with some old accounts which had one edit long ago and may have been lying folded in a drawer somewhere arguing non-usefully that "Other Stuff Exists" or "Its Going To Get Coverage" or "It Has X Google Hits" are not at all convincing in their demands that it be kept. The fact of something being "The First" of its kind in no way satisfies any Wikipedia notability guideline. Wikipedia is not here to publicize some worthy new thing which has not yet been noted by reliable and independent sources. We are left with the need for significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. So far, the mainstream broadcast and print media have not covered it. There has been significant coverage in several online sources, as shown by Google News . Several were discussed above. If a blog has editorial supervision and a reputation as a reliable source (perhaps demonstrated by its being cited as such by mainstream media) then a signed article therein contributes to notability by Wikipedia standards. This program appears to barely meet that standard in its coverage so far. An AFD is normally open for seven days, and today is apparently just a week since the debut. Edison (talk) 20:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NF states that a work like this can be considered notable if it "represents a unique accomplishment in cinema [or] is a milestone in the development of film art". Being "the first of its kind" would make this notable. --Gyrobo (talk) 20:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If it had debuted long enough ago that reliable sources had had time to call it a "milestone" in cinema than that argument would be more convincing. Otherwise anything "new" could claim it, based on the opinion of a Wikipedia editor or some breathless blogfan. Edison (talk) 22:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Totally keep. The reasons? All the "keep reasons" above this one... Why would someone be interested on deleting a page for a first-of-its-kind project? And by the way, a great project, if you watch it you will be amazed... Daniel32708 (talk) 17:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment "I like the movie" in no way is an argument against deletion. Edison (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment That is not the argument. The argument is a first-of-its-kind project + all the above arguments.Daniel32708 (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It now is covered by a German newspaper called TAZ, should be notable now link --Tavin (talk) 18:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strike vote. Tavin already voted above. --Bensin (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * CommentThe Taz link is to Die Tageszeitung, an alternative nationally distributed German paper, around since 1978, and which looks like significant coverage in a reliable source for purposes of the notability of this article's subject. Edison (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - APC (Australia), ITavisen (Norway), 20 minutes (France), Bright (Netherlands) and golem.de (Gemany) writes about it. Not that it matters, but it's a pretty popular article.. --Bensin (talk) 00:17, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
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