Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piotr Lato (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to  Idol (Polish TV series). Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Piotr Lato
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As written, clearly fails Notability (biographies). Second AfD in 2012 was closed as after two relists nobody cared to vote. The article has already been deleted years ago from pl wiki, which has a much less strict notability criteria, and that's a big red flag: if something is not notable for pl wiki, it is certainly not notable for us. Nobody has bothered to recreate his bio, even through around 2011 he briefly appeared on Polish Big Brother. Outside one of two short news pieces from that time, I am not seeing any reliable sources about him or his career. I don't think he was notable back then, he isn't now, and the current substub is hardly making a case for itself. Pinging editors who commented on this before: User:Epeefleche, User:Cunard, User: Kasnie, User:Dennis Brown , User:Ouro, User:Reyk , User:ChildofMidnight. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable, no independent source found. Completely fails as per WP:ARTIST,WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSBIO. A.Minkowiski_Lets t@lk 11:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete- Game show contestants are generally not notable, and this article has been languishing in its unsourcable state for years. Reyk  YO!  11:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. A.Minkowiski_Lets t@lk 11:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete per Piotrus and A.Minkowiski. — Kpalion(talk) 15:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. My research cannot find enough of significance to satisfy WP:BIO. — sparklism hey! 15:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Through a Google search, I found three articles about Piotr Lato on the first several pages of the results. To address the concerns about the article's lack of sourcing, I have added these three sources to the article. The sources are sufficient to verify the material in the article. Based on this cursory Google search, there is likely to be even more coverage about the subject. This 18 September 2011 articleWebCite (Google Translate) from Onet.pl titled "Piotr Lato wystartował w "The Voice of Poland"". This 17 June 2011WebCite (Google Translate) article also from Onet.pl titled "Piotr Lato - "Nie przypuszczałem, że mogliby mnie wybrać do Big Brothera!"" This 4 August 2010WebCite (Google Translate) article from plotek.pl (which is owned by Agora SA) titled "Pamiętacie Piotra Lato z Big Brothera?" As noted at Articles for deletion/Piotr Lato in November 2008 regarding WP:ONEEVENT: "Weakest of keeps only because he placed 5th in Idol and was also on Big Brother, which clears wp:oneevent, and approaches multiple instances of minor celebrity. Likely, this could be sourced better, but that is a tag issue.  This is admittedly marginal, but the threshold appears to be passed.  Or he is at least sitting directly on top of it.  Maybe the notability is more obvious to those in Poland or of Polish descent." The sources demonstrate that the subject passes Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 06:51, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your extensive search; I saw those sources before and I am not convinvced that three short articles on minor gossip sites (and two brief stints in reality shows) are sufficient to pass GNG. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm unconvinced that the three sources are listed are from gossip sites. The sources allow Piotr Lato to pass the general notability guideline, which is why I am voting to keep. I understand that all editors other than myself are currently supporting deletion. So an alternative to deletion would be to redirect Piotr Lato to Idol (Polish TV series) (with the history preserved under the redirect) because it is a valid search term. I would support preserving the article's history under the redirect because its three sources would be useful in sourcing and expanding the article if there is future coverage to more firmly establish notability. Cunard (talk) 04:50, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I support redirecting rather than outright deletion, good idea. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
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