Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pip Skid


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The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Pip Skid

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Non-notable rapper. Search is unable to find reliable and independent sources. PROD was removed without comment Andy14and16 (talk) 02:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep You have to be kidding. There are 5 sources on the page itself that are independent. This seems like a bad faith nomination. -DJSasso (talk) 02:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Article cites Exclaim! and Winnipeg Free Press already - Pip Skid's gotten the ear of the Canadian press. Chubbles (talk) 03:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - The artist does not meet the criteria for musicians and ensembles. The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere "flash in the pan", nor a result of promotional activity. It takes more than just a short burst of articles about a single topic to constitute sufficient evidence of notability. The evidence referred to above is the result of a burst of promotional activity at the time of the release of his independent album in 2004. The album did not chart, and nothing further was heard from this performer. The article in the Winnipeg newspaper is local coverage of a local artist, and the other magazine is a promotional magazine for music groups. All other references to this performer are merely trivial coverage. There is no international, or even national, coverage for this band. I can’t even find any information about this performer on Allmusic.com, and they cover virtually every musical performer. The artist has never charted, and has never won or even been nominated for any award. Andy14and16 (talk) 03:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A few thoughts in reply..."flashes in the pan" are often notable, and do not need to receive continuous historical attention to remain so. Notability is not temporary, and so one-hit wonders and briefly-popular musical ensembles are nonetheless deserving of encyclopedic attention. Exclaim! is not a promotional magazine; it's a third-party review site, and one of Canada's most comprehensive. Allmusic does not have very good coverage of Canadian artists because it is a US-centric publication, and though it attempts to cover this subject it is not by any means comprehensive. Charting a hit is something a particular type of musician does, or attempts to do; Pip Skid is not that type of musician. If he had charted a hit, he would be notable, but the absence of a hit is not in any way damning. Chubbles (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Exclaim! is a large national music newspaper and not a promotional site. Coverage at the time of release is one of the ways that musicians gain notability. If they weren't notable news organizations would not cover them. You could start up a band and release an album, but that doesn't mean you would automatically get news coverage. You get news coverage because you are notable. Secondly not all those sources are from the same time period. One is only from a short few weeks ago and others are from 2001 and 2004. So this would be multiple instances of news coverage. You also mention that this coverage is trivial. Trivial coverage is considered a one sentence mention in an article about someone else. This coverage is all specificly talking about him and thus is not trivial. -DJSasso (talk) 15:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would also note that his current album hit #4 on the Canadian Hip Hop charts on May 1st. So yes, he has charted. This is now added and sourced on his page. -DJSasso (talk) 16:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and his Funny Farm 2 peaked #3 on the Canadian Hip Hop charts. -DJSasso (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And his previous album Funny Farm hit #32 on the combined charts. So that makes 3 charting albums. How many chartings would you like? Because thats not even counting his charting with any of the groups he has been a member of. -DJSasso (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would also note his single "Alone Again" from his album Funny Farm was in rotation on Much Music (as seen here), a national station which satisfies WP:MUSIC as well. -DJSasso (talk) 19:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. As Chubbles noted, notability is not temporary, so significant coverage for a "flash in the pan" still qualifies as significant coverage. Here is an additional source, a Pitchfork review from 2004.  Gongshow  Talk 20:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The nominator's arguments are by turns inaccurate (in the nomination) and irrelevant (in his followup delete !vote). Subject is clearly notable, per our guidelines. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  01:55, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
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