Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pipe Wrench (cocktail)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Pipe Wrench (cocktail)

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Unreferenced article about an unremarkable cocktail. Distinct smell of spam in unnecessary multiple mentions of "Triumph Brewing Company" and someone named Adam Fitting (who seems to have been excised from the Triumph article, but not without some difficulty). Prod contested by IP editor. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - My mistake - Adam Fitting is back in Triumph Brewing Company again as of earlier today. First edit of User:Jerseybrewjunkie. I'm not sure what his involvement in that establishment is, but it's beginning to smell like socks around there. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I once made a pint of Gin-ness by putting some Gin in my pint of Guinness. I am Tom Cruise and I demand my box to stand on. Richard Hock (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:N. What few references I could find are either (a) circular (e.g. back to this article) or (b) dated within the past six to nine months or (c) both. Not every possible mixture of beer and spirits needs its own article, does it? Geoff  TC 23:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I've never encountered this drink any serious cocktail literature, including works by experts in the field written long after the alleged invention of this drink. If I get a chance, I'll see if there's a more general class of gin/beer cocktails that this could be merged with. AlexTiefling (talk) 14:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Here we are; I knew I'd seen something like this before. According to Larousse Cocktails (English edition, Octopus, 2005), p 106, a Tamanaco Dry consists of light beer and gin, and was invented in Venezuela in the 1950s. Any idea if we have notability guidelines for cocktails? AlexTiefling (talk) 19:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See Beer cocktail, which appears to be a free-for-all of beer + anything else. Articles on cocktails should meet the general notability guidelines if nothing else. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Clarification - I'm a regular patron of the Princeton location of Triumph Brewing Company, and have been since the opening. Adam "Pipe" Fitting was one of the founders of Triumph Brewing Company, and the Chief Executive officer of the company until 2004, when he sold his interest in the company to his brother Brian Fitting and his partner Adam Rechnitz. This is a cocktail that he introduced during a staff/focus group beer tasting seminar that I attended many years ago at the pub in Princeton.Jerseybrewjunkie (talk) 18:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - I'm sure your presence at this AfD is entirely innocent, but I'm curious how you found it, since your only other contribution was readding Adam Fitting to Triumph Brewing Company a couple of days ago. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - I think this all started when I added the Pipe Wrench to the Beer Cocktails page. A bartender at Rogue Ales Public House in San Francisco told me that the Pipe Wrench had a Wikipedia page when I ordered one. That lead me to the error on the Triumph page. From the looks of things the history of all these articles goes back some time. Why is there so much weirdness about these articles? Are we actually using terms like innocence? My vote as a long time enjoyer of this drink is not to delete, and I'll be spreading the word. For lack of a better Wikipedia rule on this matter I cite WP:IAR.Jerseybrewjunkie (talk) 04:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fitting! - Das klingt wie eine gute Fokusgruppe! Adam Fitting Liebes gin und -politik! Er hat viele loyalen Verfechter! Und er wird nach einem Rohr genannt! Und das Cocktail wird nach ihm genannt! JA bin ich der Meister! Dieses ist ein Triumph! Adam Fitting! HenriPlam (talk) 11:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * (And the crowd cheers wildly...) Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm curious how you, as a new Wikipedia user, came to see that the article was up for deletion. It seems odd to me that someone who hadn't had anything to do with the article and wasn't a regular (frequent) editor would be aware that it was. I used the adjective "innocent" to make it clear that I wasn't accusing you of being a sockpuppet of Adam Fitting, because of my comments earlier about sockpuppets. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


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