Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piper Rockelle (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Piper Rockelle
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The subject has only received in-depth coverage from reliable sources in connection with allegations of wrongdoing against her mother. (Coverage in the Los Angeles Times, Atavist magazine.) The article currently contains personal information based on low-quality or promotional sources. Since the subject is a minor, I suggest deleting this article, without prejudice to the creation of a different article about her mother or her mother's production company. gnu 57 22:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Internet. gnu 57  22:40, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. Seems notable, although urgent improvements are needed in the article with regards to poorly cited unproven allegations of criminal activity
 * https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2022-12-18/piper-rockelle-youtube-child-labor-lawsuit
 * https://www.latimes.com/podcasts/story/2023-02-08/the-times-podcast-youtube-lawsuit-piper-rockelle
 * https://longreads.com/2023/02/07/the-squad-youtube-kidfluencers-atavist-magazine/
 * https://madame.lefigaro.fr/societe/actu/la-mere-de-la-youtubeuse-star-piper-rockelle-accusee-d-exploitation-et-d-abus-sexuels-sur-mineurs-aux-usa-20230119
 * CT55555 (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Those references centre on the mother's recent controversies. I don't think the daughter is independently notable. (Also, WP:AVOIDVICTIM might apply here.) gnu 57 03:26, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think they contain enough significant coverage about Piper Rockelle. CT55555 (talk) 04:17, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Bands and musicians,  and Georgia (U.S. state).  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree with the nominator on the matter of criminal allegations and the fact that the subject is a minor. I also noticed that the Los Angeles Times and Atavist articles are near-copies of each other. Her article says that she starred in Mani (web series) but she was only a supporting player, and it says that she starred in Chicken Girls but she is not mentioned at that show's article. Otherwise she is in the news indirectly due to the criminal allegations, but the allegations have been made by different actors and they are against a different person (her mother), so the connection is tangential at best despite appearances of her name in the news. Outside of that debacle, Piper herself is only visible in the usual promotional and social media sites. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - I made a WP:BLP-based edit to remove content from the article, which also appeared to be a WP:COATRACK. I searched for more sources online, and significant coverage in reliable sources seems focused on allegations related to her mother, not Rockelle, as well as the lawsuits (they are counter-suing), which seems relevant per WP:INVALIDBIO, WP:VICTIM, and WP:BLPCRIME. I also agree with Doomsdayer520's assessment above, and I found some tabloid/sensationalist coverage (e.g. WP:TMZ and related churnalism). There does not appear to be significant support for notability in independent and reliable sources to support a WP:BLP article. Beccaynr (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. For the reasons stated in the nomination. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Given the potential to change the landscape and the amount of coverage it has received, an article could be written about the lawsuit once it's all settled, and Rockelle makes sense to discuss therein, but she does not appear notable as an actor right now. Star   Mississippi  17:12, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


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