Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pippa Bacca


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. There is a possibly notable event here, but not a notable person; she is clearly only notable for the manner in which she died, and thus falls foul of WP:NOT and WP:NOT. (There is no comparison to Hrant Dink, who was notable before his death). There is a possibility that this could be incorporated into an article about Brides on tour which appears to have enough written about it in reliable sources to form an article; please contact me if you wish to have the deleted content from this article to do so. Black Kite 07:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Pippa Bacca

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Was speedied for DB bio, however given the level of contribution by users I suspect there may be ground for some discussion. The argument is either non notable biography, or notable murder for the media coverage and the charity circumstances and back story. SGGH speak! 08:06, 29 April 2008
 * Delete - clearly is a news article not an encyclopaedic topic - Peripitus (Talk) 10:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete her biography is based on one event, her murder, which I believe is against WP:BIO1E. I suggest creating an article on Brides on tour (the event she participated in) and rewriting her death into the article. Atyndall93  |  talk
 * Keep stands in line with Hrant Dink. Her tragically failed mission (and following repercussions) already became part of Turkey's modern history. Sometimes people enter in fact the history books and become noteworthy, just by being killed - notwithstanding the quoted Wiki rule that should be applied carefully. For a famous case in German history see Benno Ohnesorg. --DaQuirin (talk) 12:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:ONEEVENT. Notable for way she died. Bstone (talk) 12:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep as the article simply recounts the events without discussing how international the coverage was or what the Turkish media reaction was (which was pretty significant, as I understand, but I can't judge HOW significant). A Brides on Tour article might be a better way to handle this, as her partner is continuing with the project. --Dhartung | Talk 21:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The article is in bad shape, true. For the interesting debate around Pippa Bacca see here: "The terrible truth of the story is that like most martyrs for a cause, Pippa, through her death may have actually accomplished more for peace than she would have, had her walk been completed without incident. Her murder has sent a powerful message about peace and about the continuing struggle of women for personal safety." If the article stands the deletion vote, I am ready to expand the article. Just to note: The same discussion took place with the Italian and German articles. In both cases, the result was to keep the article for the time being. --DaQuirin (talk) 22:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Alexb@cut-the-knot.com (talk) 13:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for her death to send a message it must be talked about and broadly discussed. The article should be expanded. It is important to learn what her death has actually accomplished.
 * Unfortunately Wikipedia is not a memorial (see What Wikipedia is not) there are other places on the web more suitable for that. SGGH speak! 16:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not quite understand this argument. An article is not an obituary, certainly. Her death, tragic as it is, may serve as a trigger event for presenting her ideas, ideas that are shared by an awful number of people. I expect the article to be expanded. Alexb@cut-the-knot.com (talk) 04:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a memorial. If kept, move to her full name. Stifle (talk) 20:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia naming conventions state that the most common term in the outside world is the article title (hence Madonna being an article title, not her name) and Pippa Bacca is how she has been referred to in all news coverage and the websites on her charity. SGGH speak! 13:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep sufficiently notable event, because of the international coverage. DGG (talk) 17:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - I just read about her in NewsWeek and wanted to find out more. This page was helpful in several ways and will be helpful to others in the future. — 156.33.41.9 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


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