Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pirtua, pirtua


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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Pirtua, pirtua

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Non-notable film. Of sources provided, one is regarding the filmmaker, and merely mentions his newest film in the first line. The only other is from Elonet, which is a DATABASE of Finnish films which does nothing for notable, same with IMDB external link. I don't see anything establishing notability for this film. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ  17:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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 *  Delete  Proquest news archive search comes up absolutely blank. Film is already included in list of a dozen non-notable films on page of filmmaker Visa Mäkinen.  Thereis nothing here to merge.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:04, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Elonet is a database and probably lists every movie and actor in Finland, but it also has some information about this movie and it quotes three reviews from three national newspapers/magazines. Unfortunately it's probably impossible to find the reviews online so I don't know how long they are. It seems it was also reviewed in the film magazine Filmihullu, but that's not online either . Elonet also quotes an interview about making of the movie prior to the release, but again it's impossible to find it now. Also according to Elonet, the film was released on DVD in 2009 and 2017. -kyykaarme (talk) 23:17, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as there is evidence given above that the film has been reviewed in four national newspapers and magazines which means it passes WP:NFILM but those sources are not easily found online so it needs Finnish editors to expand the article with offline sources Atlantic306 (talk) 22:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - How can we verify these sources exist? ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  12:08, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Additionally, after looking further, as per Kyykaarme, NFILM requires "The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics." The article shows the film sold 1 650 tickets, which would go against "widely distributed." Further, no evidence that these are "full-length" reviews, and NFILM requires both. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  17:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: We need to find the sources as we can't keep on assertions
 * WP:GNG can be passed separately from WP:NFILM and if the reviews are in national newspapers they are likely to be sig cov Atlantic306 (talk) 21:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 07:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:17, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


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