Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pistolero (Dschinghis Khan song)


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The result was redirect to Dschinghis Khan. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Pistolero (Dschinghis Khan song)

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I PROD'ded this song article, and the PROD was removed by the creator with the statement that the article has plenty of sources. Actually the first source from Germancharts.de is merely a discography listing showing that the single was released, with no chart position that I can find (see comment from Richard 3120 below). Then there are several Discogs sources, which establish existence but not notability. The German magazine article "Rocking Son of Dschinghis Khan" (via Google Translate) is actually about the band and only name-drops this single once, near the end of the second paragraph. I can find no independent sources to establish notability for this single in its own right, and existence is not enough for a WP article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep song has enough references. I'm the creator of this article, it could be improved yet I feel it is notable enough for a Wikipedia entry, in my opinion. Neptune&#39;s Trident (talk) 14:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You've already said twice that it has "enough references". Quantity does not matter, quality does. See WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV, WP:V, WP:INDEPENDENT, and connected Wikipedia guidelines. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: the song reached no. 15 on the German singles chart in February 1981 . Given that the group had nine other top 30 hits in Germany between 1979 and 1982, it's likely that print sources exist about the group and this single, but they're going to be hard to find., the Discogs listings only prove the single exists, not that it's notable, and they don't count as reliable sources. Richard3120 (talk) 15:43, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Richard for finding the chart information. I concede that this helps with the song's notability to a certain extent, but I am still concerned about significant coverage from multiple, reliable sources. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 17:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:39, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:39, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Dschinghis Khan. Even if the song is notable for reaching some position on some chart, this will only add maybe a single extra sentence to an article, which is still very short, and as WP:NSONG says - "a standalone article is appropriate only when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album".Omgwtfbbqsomethingrandom (talk) 18:32, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 15:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Richard3120. Reached number 15 in the German singles chart. James500 (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect, to a page about the album, and failing that to the one about the artist. Even if this is presumed notable, it is a one-sentence stub; no sources have been provided, nor can I find any, that provide material for expansion. Vanamonde (talk) 17:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Dschinghis Khan. Is this notable?  Probably.  The problem is that the article is so short that it contains no more information than what is in the article title.  Ok, I'm wrong, the article contains the year it was recorded, and the genre of music.  However, in an IAR vein, I think the reader would gain a better understanding of the subject if they were redirected to the artist page, where the single is listed, the genre of the artist is explained in more detail, and the year of the single is given.  If/when more detailed encyclopedic information about this charting song becomes available the article can be re-created over the redirect.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:49, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


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