Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pistons-Celtics rivalry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Pistons-Celtics rivalry

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An NBA rivalry which is unnotable besides meeting a couple of times in the playoffs in the '80s. That aside, the article is basically a WP:COATRACK of stats and opens the door for literally thousands of articles if every team has an article about its rivalry with the other 29 teams. All information needed to present about the rivalry is already at Rivalries of the NBA. Tavix (talk) 01:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC) Tavix (talk) 01:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  02:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. The mere fact that teams meet in the playoffs does not establish that there is a rivalry, despite the best efforts of espn.com to hype interest in its NBA broadcasts.  Pistons-Pacers, Pistons-Bulls, Celtics-Lakers, Celtics-Sixers... those are storied rivalries, and the "storied" part means that they have become part of the culture for the fans.  Mandsford (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article needs some work, but it's a notable rivalry that extends beyond the several times they've met in the playoffs over the past couple decades. It's not the most notable of the Celtic's rivalries but it is a notable one nonetheless. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 23:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply Can you prove this? They aren't in the same division, and almost the entire article is a coatrack of stats. Remove that, and you got a paragraph or two. "It's not the most notable of the Celtic's rivalries." Exactly my point. Even if they are "notable" as you say, we shouldn't have a full article for all the teams and their 15 or so "rivals". Tavix (talk) 00:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. If you look at the external links, ESPN does a brief chronicle of the rivalry that spans nearly 50 years. Seeing how as ESPN doesn't make up rivalries between teams that have gone on for 50 years, it's sufficient enough to say from that proof that this rivalry has notability. And yes, I did say it wasn't the most notable Celtics rivalry, but you neglected to include the rest of my quote where I explicitly say it's still notable. Wikipedia policy doesn't dictate one rivalry per team. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 15:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so your saying that any team that has been playing with another team for 50 years makes it a rivalry? Tavix (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that's a misleading characterization of what I said. What I said is that it's a notable rivalry that has been covered by reliable sources. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 01:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Original research, sources don't establish it as an actual rivalry. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's not original research. The article has a link to a recent ESPN article about the rivalry here. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 15:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'd say all professional teams within a league are rivals, but this one isn't a notable one between two of them. Chasingsol (talk) 04:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - The reliable source present in the article - this ESPN article - establishes that this is an actual rivalry, as does this Boston.com article, and the existence is confirmed by several of these news stories. The content of the article is based upon the ESPN story, and there's no big problem with WP:V. I don't think anyone who actually looks through the sources can argue that it is anything of WP:OR - at the very very least, the rivalry is clearly established. – Toon (talk)  16:50, 21 December 2008 (UTC) After further consideration it looks like I've misinterpreted the references - I don't think they define a rivalry as solidly as upon my first reading. –  Toon (talk)  02:35, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Added Reference. I added the reference you found from boston.com and I'll try and find some time to sift through the Google results to find any pertinent articles. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 01:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Sources beings used only show some of the memorable moments that occurred when these teams were facing each other, but do not speak of the actual rivalry itself. Therefore, this article is purely original research. Xenocide  Talk undefined Contributions  23:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I cannot stress enough that I hate AfD discussions where the nominator has to comment on every single nay vote. Just let the people voice their opinion. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 01:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 02:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep NBA league website acknowledges the rivalry. The existence of the rivalry seems to be established by various websites and while it is true the page looks like a collection of stats now, it could be improved to be more encyclopedia like to describe the rivalry rather than just the stats involved. Ryanminier (talk) 07:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.