Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pit fighting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  08:50, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Pit fighting

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"Pit fighting" is a colloquialism that might refer to street fighting or a combat sport or a martial art; insufficient sources show agreement as to what it means, and don't show the term is widespread. And even if they did, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. See Wikipedia is not a dictionary and Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. It might be true that street fighting has sometimes occurred in a pit (or a non-pit area called a pit), and some mixed martial arts organizations use "pit" in their name (, YAMMA Pit Fighting). Tank Abbott says "Pit-Fighting is a sport started by outlaw biker gangs in which a pit is dug and two fighters jump in and brawl", but no other sources verify the association with outlaw bikers. Outlaw motorcycle clubs probably have fights, and perhaps in some local slang they call it "pit fighting," but that doesn't make pit fighting a sport, or a martial art, or an encyclopedic topic. Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to YAMMA Pit Fighting. The term does find some use, including the film Pit Fighter (film), but there seems to be no agreement about what it means and I could not find any sourcing (most Google News hits refer to dog fighting). --MelanieN (talk) 17:58, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that the most common usage refers to dog fighting. Second most common is cockfighting. So why redirect to YAMMA Pit Fighting? I think a dab page, maybe, or else a red link. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggested the redirect only because I think someone looking for "YABBA pit fighting" might use "pit fighting" as their search term. Are you suggesting a DAB page because you think such a searcher might actually be looking for Dog fighting or Cock fighting? I don't find the term "pit fighting" used in either of those articles, so I don't think listing them on a "pit fighting" DAB page is appropriate. To me, the alternative course to "redirect to YAMMA pit fighting" should be simply "delete", and I endorse deletion as an acceptable option. --MelanieN (talk) 18:51, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of Google News and Books hits associated with dog and cock fighting, not the WP articles themselves, which could be incomplete. I guess I have no idea what most people would be looking for if they search Wikipedia for pit fighting. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Article is largely unsourced and the term doesn't appear to be frequently used much of anywhere (from my Google search). If someone were looking for YAMMA they'd be more likely to search the abbreviation.  A redirect to mixed martial arts would make more sense, but not a lot more.  --TreyGeek (talk) 15:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete There's nothing to show this topic has the significant independent coverage required to show notability. The only source given has a 2 sentence passing mention of the topic. Papaursa (talk) 21:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect - it's clearly not notable, as completely lacking any reliable sources, but is a plausible redirect term. Bearian (talk) 18:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete It lacks any reliable sources and it's not clear what you would redirect it to.Mdtemp (talk) 22:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Seems like something Tank Abbott dreamed up in order to bolster his image, possibly using the Pit-Fighter video game as inspiration. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 10:49, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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