Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pizza-ghetti (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of pizza varieties by country. There is general consensus that the way to handle this encyclopedic information is by inclusion at the targeted article. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Pizza-ghetti
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Neologism portmanteau: putting two items on a plate and combining their names does not make a notable dish. Also WP:SYNTH combining three entirely different food concepts that happen to include some of the same ingredients and independently applying the same portmanteau. Sources are blogs, a menu, and online recipes for the disparate dishes, none of which provide notability or establish that we need an article for the banal topic that people can eat pizza and spaghetti at the same meal, or get creative in the kitchen. Reywas92Talk 04:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 04:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong keep, I agree with your assessment of the current state of the article, but plenty of sources available online about the Canadian dish are available . The American dish may not be notable. signed,Rosguill talk 04:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll note this is included in List of pasta dishes and can be added to List_of_pizza_varieties_by_country and expanded at both as WP:ATD. Making up a portmanteau does not warrant an article. Reywas92Talk 04:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that may be a better solution. Make that a merge.signed,Rosguill talk 04:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:06, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The essential point is that they all call it pizzaghetti and so that is the appropriate name for the broad concept. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep We already had a previous discussion which resulted in a Keep so why do we need another helping? It's easy to find coverage of the combo such as Move Over Poutine: Pizzaghetti Owns Quebec.  And then there's the related concept of the spaghetti pizza which you find on the other side of the world.  Me, I draw the line at the pizzaghetti slushy but there's no accounting for taste. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You know that was a decade ago, and you should know that there was nothing substantial in any of the sources brought up there. And what you bring up here is also just weak. What encyclopedia is worth its name if a subject needs nothing more than a few websites to mention it? Drmies (talk) 13:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Spaghetti pizza! Reywas92Talk 18:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of pizza varieties by country. The sources identified by Andrew Davidson have a fatal flaw, in that they are not actually about this topic, but instead the topic of Spaghetti pizza. This article pertains to a dish where the Pizza and Spaghetti are separate, per the photo within it, but the sources clearly identify and talk about a Pizza with a Spaghetti topping, which means they are not about this topic, and should instead be added to the Spaghetti pizza article. Still, there is information here that should be added to the section on Canadian pizza varieties. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The Vice article indicates that the elements are sometimes served "side by side". Other sources make it clear that the recipe varies from place to place.  For example "Like many highly regionalized specialties, pizzaghetti can vary from one location to another. Found most commonly at diners, the dish is sometimes simply a small pizza and spaghetti on the same plate. At other eateries, the meat-sauce-added 'ghetti is baked under the pizza's layer of mozzarella."


 * Keep but (preferably) merge with Spaghetti pizza into a single article on Pizza and spaghetti. This seems to be a quirk along the lines of Peanut butter and jelly sandwich. BD2412  T 20:39, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Or the peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich! There are lots of interesting food combinations. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Extending discussion to see if consensus can become clearer.
 * Merge - the sources are really quite poor. Not seeing sufficient coverage to justify a stand-alone article at all. A fun portmanteau, but coverage seems to conflate simply serving pizza with spaghetti with various foods that combine the two. We have an awful lot of stand-alone food articles with terrible sourcing and very little that can be said about them that should really just be merged into a list. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 21:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per Rhododendronites; no indication of independent notability. ——  SN  54129  04:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of pizza varieties by country. Pizza-ghetti, or pizzaghetti, fails WP:GNG as a standalone concept because the sourcing is simply not there. Changing vote to keep on the strength of the HuffPost and Vice articles. Agree with Andrew Davidson that this term, though slightly ambiguous, is a broad concept that is summarized rather well in the article. For the record, I don't think Spaghetti pizza carries the same kind of weight as far as a distinct concept is concerned. StonyBrook (talk) 15:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for the many valid reasons stated in the last deletion attempt. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 02:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is an article about, or at least a definition of, a cute term for serving two unrelated foods. It's no more notable than "Pancakes with sausage", or any other of the hundreds or perhaps thousands world-wide of commonly paired foodstuffs. I'm dubious that it's even eligible for either of the proposed merges, as it's neither a "pasta dish" nor a "pizza variety".   If there's a "List of Combo-Meals", I suppose it could go there, but I don't think there is. ApLundell (talk) 04:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I am just not sure this amalgamation of Foodstuff warrants an encyclopedia entry. The combinations are endless and probably best covered in List of pasta dishes. I once had delicious pizza with macaroni on top, but I do not think that warrants an encyclopedia entry either. This is likely headed to no-consensus so my !vote either way will likely not matter. Lightburst (talk) 17:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 07:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of pasta dishes. Not enough coverage for an independent article.P-K3 (talk) 22:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.