Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Placer County Youth Orchestra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 04:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Placer County Youth Orchestra

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Non-notable local organization, possibly using this as a webhosting space or promotional site. Prod removed by creator. (ESkog)(Talk) 11:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. As this stands, it just consists of information I'd expect to see on a promotional leaflet for the site - it's basically advertising. No evidence that even fundamentally rewritten, the group are notable enough to warrant including. Perhaps speedy delete under WP:CSD G11? ~ Excesses ~  (talk) 11:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete. It is my opinion that any group, no matter how localized or notable, deserves to be included in Wikipedia, for every group, no matter how localized of notable, has some sort of following. The people that believe in the Placer County Youth Orchestra, the people who have spent their years building the organization from nothing, fighting for every dime, should not have to suffer the indignity of seeing their work rejected from Wikipedia, of all places- If there is an organization more devoted to the power of the individual and the cataloging of the mundane, I have yet to see it. How dare you insist on shutting down a perfectly good web page with information that people care about - do you think this systematic selection of what shall live and ehat shall die is so important? It seems to me that passengers were less grave in their decision of whom to let on the lifeboats of the Titanic! Will it really put the entire online community to shame if the PCYO page remains? I have made changes to the site, as you were correct in the first half of your criticism; it was overtly advertising in its nature, I cannot disagree with you there. But the fact that you, a Wikipedia administrator who feels that you are the supreme ruler who decides what information is important and what is irrelevant, will not deign to accept our lowly organization as relevant astounds me. Perhaps you should consider investing your doubtlessly invaluable time in something that can function outside the four pasty-white walls of your Mother's basement. Good Day. Waylando91 (talk) 21:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have a following too, but I'm not notable by Wikipedia standards, and it seems the same is true for this orchestra.  Best of luck.  ReverendWayne (talk) 02:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete. I don't mean to say that any person with a following is entitled to an entry in Encyclopedia Britannica, but the PCYO is a certified California non-profit corporation that conforms to the IRS code section 501(c)(3) and is thus tax exempt; we aren't some backwater clan of mouthbreathers taking a break from making passionate love to our farm animals in order to play around on the interweb using our neighbor's wireless connection. In the digital age, how can we hope to achieve greater notoriety if we cannot testify to our own existence? See this:. Do you know there are 36 youth orchestras in California, nearly all with Wikipedia pages? I only ask that we be allowed the same rights as our peers.Waylando91 (talk) 07:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - "has a small following" cannot be a criteria for notability. WP:CLUB has specific guidelines to help determine if a non-comercial organization is notable. This isn't. It's all well and good that the organization wants to promote themselves, but Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion. Really, this seems like a clear case of advertising. Singularity42 (talk) 19:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.