Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Placet (fictional planet)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Without prejudice to somebody creating an article about the short story if that is deemed notable.  Sandstein  18:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Placet (fictional planet)

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Short plot summary without indication of real-world notability, nor for the short story in which it appears. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 04:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - nom is I think right that this is a non-notable detail from a minor work. The reasoning is however incorrect - notability is a product of what exists in the world, not what is written in the article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:12, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete If the story isn't notable enough for an article, a planet in the story definitely isn't.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unnotable location in a minor short story. Wikipedia would be a crazy place too if this article was kept. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:16, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Looking at the discussion above, I rather suspect that the previous contributors are talking from ignorance, at least so far as Placet is a crazy place is concerned. A minor short story? At the time it was written, short stories were still the main form of science fiction, and Placet is a crazy place was repeatedly included in science fiction anthologies for over a generation after it was written. And Fredric Brown's characterisation of Placet itself is one of the main reasons for this - remove the setting, and a short comic masterpiece would turn into an even shorter (and not particularly convincing) romantic farce. (And this is probably one reason why the story title redirects here rather than vice versa.) I am not particularly arguing for notability here, at least in Wikipedia terms - Wikipedia is indeed a crazy place, and one of the things that makes it that is the unfortunate but probability unavoidable necessity of using performance indicators to provide a relatively objective definition of notability. It therefore does not help that short stories tend only to get discussed very briefly (such as here, here and here), that it was published before any of the major science fiction awards existed, and that the nature of the story itself did not lend it to later expansion or inclusion into a novel. But if anyone can argue for a plausible alternative to deletion, I would certainly support it. PWilkinson (talk) 11:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ignorance? I'm a science-fiction fan from way back and have read my share of Fredric Brown stories. It's not up there with "Arena" or even "Knock". The story itself doesn't have an article, yet you want the setting to? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. PWilkinson (talk) 11:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not seeing a good merge target for this, and I agree a standalone article for a fictional element from one short story is weird. Brown's article has no section into which this could be merged, and nor is there any substantial coverage in the Bibliography of his works.  Jclemens (talk) 06:33, 21 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to Placet is a Crazy Place and expand the coverage to encompass the entire short story, which I see enough secondary sourcing to support in the above find sources template Books section. Jclemens (talk) 06:36, 21 March 2018 (UTC)


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