Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plaid Cymru, Green Party, Common Ground


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to 2022 Cardiff Council election. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 18:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Plaid Cymru, Green Party, Common Ground

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Judging by the name this article has been created under, it suggests it's been created by someone from either Plaid Cymru or the Wales Green Party. The Common Ground Alliance was created to field joint candidates in a 2022 local election. I looked myself at the time, to try and find something more than the one Wales Online news article, whether the alliance was notable enough for its own article and decided it wasn't. There's a redirect (Common Ground Alliance) which points to the paragraph in the 2022 Cardiff Council election article. My opinion is that the alliance isn't notable enough for its own Wikipedia article, hence this AfD nomination. Sionk (talk) 17:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Wales. Sionk (talk) 17:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Sionk
 * I created the article so that ward results on other pages could successfully reference the alliance. As it stood all other parties had links to their party pages, while Common Ground candidates could not. MeurigRogers (talk) 17:36, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added a citation to the BBC report of the initial announcement. It is worth noting that the alliance is ongoing, and both councillors sit as Common Ground councillors. MeurigRogers (talk) 17:51, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The link in the election results worrks well using Common Ground Alliance. Sionk (talk) 19:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There are 2 Common Ground councillors - which is not noted in the Common Ground Alliance paragraph. There are ongoing joint meetings of the parties under the alliance. Given that, I think it deservers more than a throwaway paragraph. MeurigRogers (talk) 19:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your participation. Maybe there will be some wider participation and I'll find I'm completely wrong. Sionk (talk) 19:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Cardiff Council elections. This is an otherwise-insignificant electoral alliance at the local council level which has only contested the most recent elections.  It does not merit an article in its own right.  Crucially, you can keep the political party functioning in Wikipedia as it should (the premise cited by @MeurigRogers above) without the alliance needing its own article.  Instead, the alliance would be more appropriate as a subsection in Cardiff Council elections.  For a template, I recommend checking the entry for Merton Park Ward Residents Association in Merton local elections, which I created years ago. The MPWRA is a local residents association that contests elections in one ward in the council, and it has fully-functioning links as a political party (see, e.g. the infobox at 2022 Merton London Borough Council election). _  MB190417  _ (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think the current inclusion in 2022 Cardiff Council election (the one you get via the redirect at Common Ground Alliance) is sufficient given there is not currently good reason to think that the alliance will contest the next set of elections, and all the apparatus needed for a political party can be set up at the 2022 election page as it is in the MPWRA example above. _ MB190417  _ (talk) 20:28, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In contrast to the Merton Park Ward Residents Association, the Common Ground Alliance contested all wards. There is a larger significance given the Welsh Green Party's change to support Welsh independence, and the potential for the alliance to be rolled out nationally at a later date.
 * I regard it as significant as it was the first time an alliance of independence supporting parties beat one of the main UK based parties in a Cardiff election - a city which has historically been wholeheartedly unionist. If it proves to be the only time that happens it is still of significance in highlighting the peculiarities of the time. MeurigRogers (talk) 20:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * All notable information that can be added to the main parties' respective entries, supplemented with reliable, secondary sources to prove that it is as significant as you say. But WP:ORGDEPTH, which I believe covers political parties, specifically labels 'coverage of purely local events, incidents, controversies' as trivial coverage.  The event really isn't notable enough beyond the level of the local council at this one election, so a redirect is right per @DankJae. _  MB190417  _ (talk) 23:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to 2022 Cardiff Council election (in line with the other redirect and they have only contested 2022), unlikely to meet WP:GNG, and seems too early to consider whether it will contest the next local election, if that should be the case a redirect and section to Cardiff Council elections or Politics in Cardiff can then apply at that time. The recently established localised party of currently only two councillors is unlikely to justify an article nor significant coverage, particularly at this stage, nor does this article provide any necessary context that cannot be explained at 2022 Cardiff Council election in its current form. Formatting can be done to address concerns on result articles as mentioned above.  Dank Jae  20:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Just to note that a person with the same name as the AfD contributor and article creator stood for election for the alliance. The conflict of interest hasn't been declared here. _  MB190417  _ (talk) 23:16, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Their other contributions are only on the elections/wards they potentially (based on username) contested in, and Billy Rogers (footballer) which they stated was their grandfather. Indicating a COI would need to be declared here and there.  Dank Jae  23:51, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about the COI requirement Dank - how should I go about it? Is there a standard format? MeurigRogers (talk) 12:17, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @MeurigRogers, notifed you on your talk page, links there should help answer any queries. Thanks  Dank Jae  17:13, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dank - having read the CoI guidelines I agree that this page should be deleted. Can I do that myself? MeurigRogers (talk) 17:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Follow WP:AFDFORMAT for this discussion, simply add a bold comment stating either Keep, Delete, *Merge or Redirect etc. to state your opinion in this discussion and state your COI. Thanks for your efforts, and we welcome any other contributions that you may have on non-COI articles (electoral wards are fine) or requested edits on ones that you do, as long as following COI guidelines. Thanks  Dank Jae  17:48, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge the content in the article will fit into 2022 Cardiff Council election as an WP:ATD.  // Timothy :: talk  13:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


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