Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plane (Magic: The Gathering)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Magic: The Gathering storylines. While Jclemens has a valid point about licensing, this only applies if any redirect from the previously merged articles would be kept. A deletion of this article would result in a deletion of any redirects here, too, so this is not really a concern. In any case, a merge as suggested by The Bushranger circumvents that particular problem. The sources that come up in the link posted by Jclemens go to "Jeuxonline", a wiki-type site and not an RS, and GX-MOD, a discussion board and not an RS either, so independent notability is not established. (non-admin closure) Randykitty (talk) 13:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Plane (Magic: The Gathering)

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This topic does not establish notability independent of Magic: The Gathering through the inclusion of real world information from reliable, third party sources. Most of the information is made up of plot details better suited to Wikia. There is no current assertion for future improvement of the article, so extended coverage is unnecessary. TTN (talk) 16:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: I believe the sources to be out there, and for a single article on settings in MTG to be a reasonable content fork. I think we're cutting too much too fast: nearly every article on MTG except the main one has been nominated for deletion in the last few weeks  p  b  p  21:16, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge up into Magic: The Gathering storylines. This is not Middle Earth which has been the subject of many critical reviews and analysis; this is all based on primary sources. As such, there's very little that is really need at this level of detail; clearly the concept of Planes is important to the franchise's fiction, but the individual planes are just excessive in-universe detail. --M ASEM (t) 01:33, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note As far as I understand our licensing rules, deletion is not a legal option, since other articles (e.g. ) have been merged into this one, unless all such other merged articles are deleted first and no content is retained. As such, I believe this should fall under a Speedy keep criterion, since the nomination fails to address that issue, although only criterion 2e seems to apply, and that badly at best. Jclemens (talk) 06:47, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This note is not correct. Flatscan (talk) 04:26, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And your response is not helpful. If it's not correct, please explain why deletion would be allowable under our licensing policies. Jclemens (talk) 06:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please support your note with specific references to relevant pages, policies and guidelines preferred. Flatscan (talk) 04:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I'm with Flatscan here. If article A were merged into article B, we cannot delete A unless we delete B (or some other clear attribution to the authors of the merged material is given).  But I don't see why we couldn't delete B. Hobit (talk) 03:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


 * And on the merits of this list, we'll really have to look at each included plane. Here's a bit better Google News Archive search for Ravnica, which shows quite a bit of non-English coverage spread over years, although I am unfamiliar with most of those websites so cannot comment directly on their reliability. Jclemens (talk) 06:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Magic: The Gathering storylines if not kept, as this would solve the licensing problem Jclemens identifies. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge into Magic: The Gathering storylines. BOZ (talk) 12:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Magic: The Gathering storylines; seems to fail WP:GNG for a standalone article. N2e (talk) 19:31, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.